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@Samifan

Rick DiPietro

@radoran Making the playoffs in the East is gonna be tough, there is little margin for error...if either one of these goalies out right stink, I don't think the Flyers will make the post season. I can't see Emery playing 80% of the games, don't know if his health will hold up for that amount of playing time. I can see a 60/40 split, but if Emery is forced to play most of the games, everything unravels quickly. The Leafs will get great goaltending from the tandem of Bernier and Riemer, and those are one of the teams that I figure well be directly competing with for one of the final East spots. Some will laugh, but I think the Leafs tandem will be top 7 - 10 in the league. If the Flyers are not at least in the middle of the pack there for GA, the chances of post season are slim to none.

Didn't Emery start most of the games when they Blackhawks were streaking at the beginning of the season?

The only reason I mentioned his stats is because unlike Hitchcock and Gretzky and many other Head coaches is because he is coaching a specific position rather than micromanaging players in and out of practices and games, managing a team in a non-position specific role is vastly different than being a specialized position coach.

I was wrong earlier, it was actually 8 of 12 goalies that have dropped in numbers when having Reese coach them. But otherwise he shows only a negative difference in his players even if its not that appreciable.

Khabibulin showed a .8% increase in save percentage with him, where with Bob a -2.3% difference. Bryz a -1.1%

Then again maybe they just don't make the difference we should expect a goalie coach to make in goalies.

http://vhockey.blogs...ty-fantasy.html

Reese's long tenure's at a position where he doesn't make that big of a difference is probably more likely due to the fact that the goalies like him as a person.

He has been skating and training more than the other players, he might come out the gates as a strong player. He might also run out of gas earlier than them as well.

Let's not skew the history to fit our point:

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=18365

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=53073

He was quite clearly working with the goaltenders, not running the D or being an "eye in the sky."

Again, this doesn't deter from the fact that 10 of 12 goalies he has touched have had a drop in their save % with him.

But you can keep talking about Hitchcock and other people that aren't Reese if that makes your points about Reese valid.

This also seems to be one of the last forums that's still all about "praise Reese" still. Then again it's a trend I see all over these forums, find someone that disagrees and get the same 5 posters to team up and attack them on it.

HITCHCOCK - NOT REESE! READING COMPREHENSION!

Oh, I was never referring to Hitchcock, mostly because this topic is about Reese, not Hitchcock.

In fact I never said anything about Hitchcock, so your anger is your own fault.

However, if we want to get technical, Reese was an Assistant coach when he won the cup with the lighting.

Who the hell are you talking about?

Goalie Sv% with Reese Sv% without Reese Difference

Kevin Weekes 90.2% 90.3% -0.1%

Dan Cloutier 89.1% 89.9% -0.8%

Nikolai Khabibulin 91.4% 90.6% +0.8%

John Grahame 90.0% 89.6% +0.4%

Sean Burke 89.5% 90.2% -0.7%

Marc Denis 87.9% 90.2% -2.6%

Mike Smith 91.1% 91.4% -0.3%

Michael Leighton 91.3% 89.6% +1.7%

Ray Emery 90.5% 90.8% -0.3%

Brian Boucher 90.8% 89.9% +0.9%

Sergei Bobrovsky 90.9% 93.2% -2.3%

Ilya Bryzgalov 90.5% 91.6% -1.1%

And that has to do with a losing record in the NHL as a coach how?

Since we are going in about stats on a coach while he was in a lesser league.

So a coach with a losing record is a good coach

Makes sense

Over parts of 11 seasons in the NHL with the Toronto Maple Leafs (1987-88 through 1991-92 and 1998-99), Calgary Flames (1991-92 to 1993-94), Hartford Whalers (1993-94 to 1995-96), Lightning (1995-96) and New Jersey Devils (1996-97), Reese posted a 53-65-17 record with a 3.66 goals-against average and five shutouts in 174 contests. In 11 appearances in the Stanley Cup Playoffs, he has a 3-5 mark with a 4.08 GAA.

If we're going to critique all the mistakes, we have to take into account the successes also. It's easy picking apart the team by its mistakes and declaring it a failure via sarcasm when the good moves are removed from the full picture.

Black colored glasses are just as disingenuous as orange colored ones. That's why, to be realistic, one needs both the orange and the black.

With little Philly P's on them as well?

MCA would never have called a hockey period a "quarter"

Nobody said he would have.

@ "Most leaders step forward, they aren't simply chosen, That applies to all cultures."

Abe Lincoln and George Washington say hello. Both great men who were elected by the people for the people.

They weren't forced to run for president either

@radoran

Well, here is to another 3 decades.

MCA died a few years back, the Beastie boys could use you to make a comeback.

No, I don't blame him for it, where did I say that?

Most leaders step forward, they aren't simply chosen, That applies to all cultures.

If you aren't willing try and change a problem you'll be forever stuck as part of it.

oooh! SNAP!

haha,

Still, not wanting the "C" responsibility is pretty unbecoming of leadership qualities, If Timonen wanted it, wouldn't he have asked for it by now? He had a career year when he was named the captain of the Preds. He seems pretty content remaining a Associate captain.

I didn't say anything about it until you and 6 of your closest friends decided to constantly talk about it with your desire to obsess over semantics.

Considering this forum isn't that old, I'm sure he was a captain long before you also were a poster.

We would have done it 2010, but we still didn't believe the game was over....still didn't until I went home and watched the replay

Then again, I think most Flyers fans were still in disbelieve that they even got there.

You'd need to have a leadership personality, like that of Pronger. I don't see Timonen being that leader standing at the helm of the ship the same with Gagne.

Just give it to Vinny and see how he performs.

Far be it for me to pile on, but honestly, I could never make that mistake. The proper description of period is just engrained in me, I'd never ever call it a quarter or half...it is just not possible.

Sometimes, it's just better to admit a mistake and carry on. I've done it many times, you reach a point where you are obviously wrong and you man up and admit it.

Its more or less just a designation giving to sports to indicate that play is stopped for a intermission. A Quarter is a Period of playing time and serves the same purpose, they could also call it segment 1,2,3 and it'd mean the same thing. the only thing wrong about calling it a quarter is that the game itself doesn't refer to it the same way, it however wasn't what we were discussing and therefor was simply semantics. Its like making fun of someone in an argument for grammatical errors because you don't have a real argument. I don't think you guys understand what semantics mean but it has derailed into a inane discussion about something arbitrary, where a bunch of friends from forums of yesteryear are going out of their way to agree to disagree with 1 person.

Yes, I do think 83 games is enough to establish yourself on a team for them to have reason to keep you around.

I just hate that the Flyers think the answer to their cup drought is a goalie

Rask, Rinnie, Quick, Luongo, Brodeur

all these guys have proven you need more than just a goalie to win a cup in the recent years, while a lower skilled goalie like Antti Niemi and Corey Crawford have won cups. I'd have rather seen Bob only because he was 47 million dollars cheaper, all of which could have been flooded into other aspects of the team that actually put points on the board.

He sounds pretty adamant about being completely not involved in a process that a lot say he was way more involved in.

Marc should just find a way to get to Carolina and bring Eric along too, this isn't the first time I've seen NYR fans that don't like him.