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  1. And the icing on the cake is a (fairly) successful franchise in - checks notes - Winnipeg. Aside from the "Top 10 media market" it's hard to understand why there MUST BE HOCKEY IN ARIZONA.
  2. I'm not at all saying that they're "puppet mastering" the situation. Briere and Jones are in charge. The SHAs are sitting next to the current GM and the President of Hockey Operations in the press box. They do still have offices. They are still involved. So, if I have some well-placed, well-earned skepticism I don't think it's surprising. I'm positive about where Briere has gone so far, I'm not on the ledge about "a fourth rounder for a 35-year-old" (rental). I do question whether or not the rebuild path that they are on will get them to their declared destination - only because it hasn't worked for anyone else. You referenced Scott (who continually said he deferred to the SHA, fwiw) trying to move the franchise forward without respect for the past. The Flyers "culture" that needed to be "found" again - who would you say represents the Flyers' pre-loss-of-it "culture" better than the Senior Hockey Advisors? Is that what we're "trying to get back" to? #halloffame? The question at hand is are we getting "back to" the "Flyers culture" we had for the last 25 years or are we building upon the foundation of what that culture "meant/s" - accountability, determination, grit(ty) - in pursuit of a truly new direction? I'm saying I don't know that yet. I guarantee you if they make the playoffs someone - coach/GM/President/player - says "anything can happen."
  3. Didn't say that. Said the organization says the entire culture was eroded and destroyed. Said if that's true, then building upon guys that were there when it happened might not be the most effective thing to do. Clearly none of this is true. Also said Coots was given the C immediately upon G's departure, except for the fact that he was injured. And that decision also predates the "New Era of Orange." Completely agree with this. The "definitely a playoff team" mantra came from the top down. I think you're skimming over the impact of the Senior Hockey Advisors who selected Fletcher, Hextall, and Holmgren And who are - checks notes - still there. Which is why we're all looking to make sure that the "culture" has actually "changed". And why there are some that are intensely, reactively suspicious of it. I honestly don't think I'm in the same camp as @flyercanuck, but I'm also not in the "everything is good news for the Flyers" camp, either. The problem that this organization* has is that it tries to declare what reality is, instead of living in reality. That's when a guy who's never been a captain and never been a center becomes your #1C longest serving captain in franchise history overseeing the worst stretch of hockey in franchise history. And that includes the "we need Nick Seeler and Scott Laughton or the whole thing falls apart" mantra.
  4. They've got nine 1/2 picks over the next two years and they've had ten 1/2 picks over the past two years (1-7-13-19-25). The Flyers had three firsts (7-5-22) - one of which won't be available for at least the next two years and another decided he wouldn't play for the Flyers so they traded for a top ten pick who has played 35 games in the past two seasons - and a second. But we've got Nick Seeler, Scott Laughton, a couple of middle range firsts, two likely 25+ firsts, and we're a bubble playoff team!
  5. They didn't get "handouts" they were terrible. The thing about "lotteries" is that they are "random" and don't guarantee results.
  6. That the entire culture of the organization was completely destroyed by the longest serving captain in the history of the franchise and that no one else in the room had anything else to do with it. Blaming the players who were on the roster in leadership positions for the weaknesses of the leadership of the roster is a farfetched proposition? Couturier wore an A, you know? Thing is, I'm not actually blaming them. The organization is, and they don't even realize they're doing it. I'm saying that if the company line that the entire foundation of the organization's culture was completely and utterly destroyed after a decade under the leadership of the longest serving captain in the history of the franchise is correct then the idea that three guys who were sitting in leadership roles during that time might not be the best foundation upon which to build the "New Era." Of course, that's all horsehockey. Which is exactly why three guys who have grown up in the Flyers system are the ones being chosen to take it forward. And that's where the question of whether or not this is a "New Era" remains open. We're not even through Year One.
  7. Edmonton wasn't a bubble playoff team for 10 years. Edmonton legit sucked for 10 years. They made the Final first year after the lockout and then didn't make the playoffs for a decade. It's how you get multiple high picks. It's also a cautionary tale because it doesn't always work. Likewise the Devils were 7/8 in the division for four years. They weren't "lucky" they were terrible.
  8. So it was the longest tenured captain in the history of the franchise that oversaw the complete and total hollowing out of team culture and the other players in the room had nothing to do with it? I'm saying I don't buy the company line on that whole situation. I'm not feigning surprise at all. I wasn't surprised. I'm not surprised. I'm saying that when you look at it through anything but "always good news for the Flyers" there is reason to be circumspect and continue to see how things develop. Listen, I've been to GAMES this season for the first time in years. My first game back was the Owen Tippett hat trick last season. My current avatar is the sticker they give you when you sit in the Gritty section. They're an ENJOYABLE hockey team. Whether they're the foundation of a Cup winner remains to be seen.
  9. Staal was the EJohnson signing of its day. Veteran presence to stabilize the locker room and do exactly the: This team isn't supposed to be in the hunt for the playoffs. Briere didn't put this roster together thinking "playoffs". Cue: Mora, Jim A lot of things have gone the Flyers way this season. And a lot of things have gone badly for other teams. They are running hard and they aren't quitting and they just simply don't have the horses to compete in this race. It's not their fault. They could surprise people. They play with heart and determination. They're not going to win 16 playoff games. They probably won't win four. They may not play any. Keeping Walker wouldn't have significantly tipped that needle. Neither would losing Laughton or Seeler. Wudder under the bridge at this point. I could.see Danny shipping ol' Laughts out "for his chance at the Cup" before next year's deadline. Even money on him back the next season...
  10. JVR was a lottery loss as the Flyers had the worse record but didn't get first pick. Patrick was a lottery win moving up from 12 to 2.
  11. 14 was given that role when 28 left. They just couldn't give it to him until he was "healthy." They aren't. They won't take "fair value" for him. They are building around three (four) guys ALL of whom were at the very least passive observers of, by official accounts, the complete and total destruction of the team's fundamental culture AND THERE'S NOBODY BETTER TO DO IT. It's almost like they don't actually believe the first part. It's also important, according to the coach, to "not fall in love with players" because this is a rebuild and you have to do things the right way because there aren't any shortcuts. And we have to keep these guys because the coach likes them. It's almost like they don't believe the first part. I'm not at all sure where my ambivalence towards their stated position comes from. I've been pretty clear with this organization* for over ten years. Stop telling me what you're doing, have your actions demonstrate it. The jury isn't even out, the cases are still being presented.
  12. "Cup winning vet" needs to play limited minutes for 20-odd games? As a person who watched them absolutely torch a 1st, 2 2nds, a 7th, and two roster players on a guy who's signature achievement so far has been to be injured most of the year on a team that's actually making a playoff case... Losing the 4th doesn't bother me. And he recouped the 5th. I need more of a pattern to be "worried" about Briere at this point. Although I would be happier if we had fewer shots of the New Era chumming it up with the Old Era.
  13. They didn't. They spent a lower round pick to send a message to the roster that they should keep working to make the playoffs despite losing Walker. You may not agree with that aspect, either, but I don't think Briere wants to "lose the room." Whether "the room" is something worth keeping in it's current form is a major question (it's not), but I can see where a former player wants to have the players' backs when he can. They "shouldn't" be "trying to make the playoffs" and one could argue that Johnson fits that plan...
  14. It's when you start to weave the conventional wisdom official organization lines together that they start to conflict with each other. If you can't build the foundation of your culture on the back of a guy who sat by and idly watched the entire team culture get destroyed around him, who else would you choose? There aren't any other options. Laughton's an absolutely critical piece on a middling, bubble playoff team. Again. I don't hate the player. He's "an NHL player" who "plays the right way" and there are likely a couple dozen of him playing in the league.
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