@terp- Here's an analogy for why we don't need Weber: A month ago I bought a Macbook Pro. It looked great, was built like a tank, and did what I needed it to do. The problem was, in the end it was overpriced for what it actually did. It went back to the store and it was replaced by a Lenovo with a better processor, more ram, better graphics and keyboard for less than half the price. With the money saved I'll then get an ipad3 for my Mac fix and still would have paid less for both. The moral of the story is for 8 million a year we can get a decent physical d-man, a better replacement for Carle and some spare change to address other needs and still end up in the same place. Do we really want 16 million wrapped up in 2 guys ...with one of them negating the strength of the other ?