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    Flyers Half-Way Assessment: Your Take?

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    For the sake of argument ...since we ARE discussing it The Athletic acutally did an article regarding this very same topic 2 days ago...and I quote:

     

    "General manager Pat Verbeek showed just how bold he is willing to get to progress the Anaheim Ducks’ rebuild after shaking things up with the Jamie Drysdale trade. For the right offer, maybe that continues by dealing Trevor Zegras. 

     

    The Ducks aren’t actively shopping Zegras. But there’s some smoke around him after management made such a splash with the Drysdale trade.....

     

     

    Zegras hasn’t done enough to follow up on his exciting rookie season, which has cast some doubt on whether he can be a game-breaker in Anaheim. The forward has to prove there’s real substance to his game and that it’s not all flash. At 22 years old, there’s time for him to get to that point. But the longer the Ducks wait, the more management risks losing value if that potential doesn’t turn into star power.

     

    The Ducks have stockpiled young talent, including Mason McTavish, Leo Carlsson, and now Cutter Gauthier up front. And they’re bound for another high draft pick to add to that at the end of this season. That doesn’t have to make Zegras expendable. The more young stars in Anaheim, the stronger their window of contention should be. But similar to the Drysdale trade, there could be a way to turn an area of surplus (in this case, top-six center depth), into something management feels will be more valuable — especially if management feels McTavish and Carlsson have a better chance of reaching that elite impact status over Zegras at that position. 

     

    Players like Zegras often don’t get moved. But maybe because he was drafted by a previous regime heightens the chance of a trade. That would allow Verbeek and his staff to keep putting their stamp on the team.

     

     

    Why would a team want to acquire him?


    Zegras can bring exceptional skill and creativity to a lineup. He’s gutsy with some of the risks he takes to make a highlight-reel play, and at times, has backed up that flash below the surface. In his rookie season, along with solid results, he showed he could be counted on to move the puck up ice with control and generate scoring chances. 

     

    The problem is what he’s done since, which is why he only signed a bridge deal this fall. 

     

    If the Ducks are moving on from Zegras, it’s because they don’t see that franchise potential anymore — and the last two years are what have lessened his chances of getting there. So an acquiring team has to either bet on the idea that he can get to that level in a better on-ice environment, or that he can be the secondary star they’ve been missing to complement their franchise cornerstone. The latter may not be as enticing, but it’s still super valuable considering how hard high-end talent can be to acquire outside of the draft. 

     

    Which teams should be interested? 

    (I won't list all the teams ....just the Flyers since it is in the article)

     

     

    Philadelphia Flyers :
    Zegras to the Flyers could work for more reasons besides reuniting him with his best friend after the Drysdale trade. 

     

    With Drysdale, the Flyers did address an area of need on the blue line. But they lost a high-end forward who was expected to be part of their turnaround. While Zegras isn’t the perfect replacement for Cutter Gauthier, he’d add some oomph to their forward group in the short and long term.

     

    BUT AGAIN ...the question that begs to be asked ....at what cost?  It comes down to assest management .... if you are shipping 3-4 assests out (picks/players) ...is that REALLY good use of assests for a team also in rebuilding like the Flyers .....  

     

    IMO ... I think its naive to think Torts would shelter a guy like Zegras. Either he adapts to the teams form or stays in the doghouse.

     

    In addition Zegras is certainly not a player the Ducks have to move — either at this deadline or beyond it.  It’s worth noting that Zegras isn’t expected to return to the Ducks lineup again until just before the trade deadline after having surgery on a broken ankle.

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    Flyers Half-Way Assessment: Your Take?

    in Philadelphia Flyers

    Posted · Edited by pilldoc

    10 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

    I would certainly love to have Zegras on the LW of our top line but at what cost?

     

    And that is the million dollar question ..... what are you willing to part with without selling the farm .....

     

    I posted this earlier .....

     

    For the sake of argument I figure it will cost probably at least a 1st and either a 2nd/3rd rounder and at least 1 of either (Foerster or Brink).   I am leaving out Michkov because had the Ducks wanted him, they would have drafted him.

     

    They might want a veteran player in return ....  The Ducks could theoretically ask for a player like TK or Hart.

    Are you willing to part with that .....  ????

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    Flyers Half-Way Assessment: Your Take?

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    14 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

    He'll be a Flyer by next year the Ducks started their rebuild over that is why they traded Drysdale and wanted Cutter so the core would be young like Carlsson.

     

    He will be the next kid moved out.

     

    If the Ducks move on from Zegras then that is GM malpractice.  

     

    We would crucify our GM if the situation was reversed ......

     

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    Flyers Half-Way Assessment: Your Take?

    in Philadelphia Flyers

    Posted · Edited by pilldoc

    2 hours ago, ctid said:

    Just as an exercise, what would it take to get Zegras?

     

    We went through this exercise a few months ago.  Zegras (22) was 9th overall pick during the 2019 Draft for the Ducks.  The Ducks are a young team rebuilding just like the Flyers.  He is considered a BIG part of their future moving forward along with the likes of Mason McTavish and Leo Carlsson.

     

    IMO, the Ducks are not trading Zegras away.  Like the Flyers, the Ducks are in the middle of rebuild themselves.  Adding Leo Carlsson to a line with Terry and Zegras will give them a potent PP1 and top line in another year or two for years to come.

     

    Zegras is a 6 foot center with tremendous hockey IQ and playmaking ability, and is an outstanding passer.  After bulking up in college there is no doubt he will become a legit superstar and #1 Center on the top line.

     

    Zegras remains one of the bright spots for a Ducks team that continues to be a work in progress. As I mentioned above, Zegras was the 9th overall pick in the 2019 NHL Entry Draft, and at that time he instantly became Anaheim’s top prospect. Last year, he finished second in voting for the Calder Trophy.

     

    Zegras is a playmaker and there is already talk withing the Ducks organization to move him to wing with the addition of Carlsson.

     

    IMHO, the Ducks won't even even begin to entertain offers unless it includes a 1st Round Pick and a high end prospect or a quality veteran coming back.

     

    For the sake of argument I figure it will cost probably at least a 1st and either a 2nd/3rd rounder and at least 1 of either (Foerster or Brink).   I am leaving out Michkov because had the Ducks wanted him, they would have drafted him.

     

    They might want a veteran player in return ....  The Ducks could theoretically ask for a player like TK or Hart.  

     

    Unless something really drastic occurs, I don't see the Ducks trading Zegras away.

     

     

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    Trade: Cutter Gauthier traded to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2nd RD Pick

    in Philadelphia Flyers

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    12 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

     

    He changed his mind because they told him just because they signed him doesn't mean he might not end up in LV and won't be promised a spot on the Flyers.

     

    Basically tell him he'd have to earn his spot.

     

    God forbid he'd have to do such a cruel thing.

     

    FUG THAT GUY!

     

    if this has any ounce of credibility then I am glad he is gone .....  sounds a typical entitled prima dona.....

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    Trade: Cutter Gauthier traded to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2nd RD Pick

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    12 minutes ago, ctid said:

    Good read about Drysdale

    https://www.broadstreethockey.com/post/philadelphia-flyers-trade-nhl-who-is-jamie-drysdale-a-qampa-with-rusty-of-anaheim-calling/

     

    Rusty: Just take care of our boy. I know this trade has left a weird taste in the mouths of the Flyers faithful but please give Jamie a chance. He’s a sweet kid and he’s got buckets of talent, if he’s able to put it all together he has a chance to be pretty special

     

    ^^^^^ This!

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    Trade: Cutter Gauthier traded to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2nd RD Pick

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    11 minutes ago, ctid said:

    So moving on. What's the deal with Drysdale? Dont know too much about him except for he's a tremendous skater and that he has been injured alot. What's his projection? Is he a better prospect than say York or are we talking similar talent level?

     

    https://thehockeywriters.com/jamie-drysdale-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

     

    What stands out about Drysdale? First thing that jumps out is his speed. He can recover from almost any situation by getting back on defense if the puck goes the other way. He doesn’t have the size yet, but he uses his hands and stick to disrupt his opponents. The number of turnovers he created by stick checking was absurd.

     

    When he wasn’t frustrating opponents, he was creating offense from any zone. Whether it was the first pass out or his acceleration into the opponent’s zone, Drysdale always has offense on his mind. He’s not afraid to shoot when given the chance. But he can make plays even when there’s not much room to work with. He made the Otters dangerous on the rush.

     

    It’s hard to find faults in Drysdale’s game as it’s a bit nitpicky. But in seeing enough of him this season, two things do stand out. He can miss the net in bunches especially on the power play. This has led to odd-man rushes the other way. He needs to get his shot on net more to create havoc around the net. He also needs to choose his battles more carefully. He tends to be aggressive and sometimes it costs him. Opponents at the next level will feast on that aggressiveness. When he’s in control and makes the right reads, he’s usually the best player on the ice.

     

    In the end, the good far outweigh the bad. Whoever lands Drysdale will not only get an elite player, but they’ll get a great leader and someone of very high character. He is one of the genuinely nice guys in the entire OHL. He brings the total package on and off the ice.

     

    Jamie Drysdale – NHL Draft Projection

    Drysdale is the best defenseman available in this draft. The question is how high will he go. Most of the industry has him well within the top-10 with some having him as high as third overall. He checks in at fourth overall for me. A lot of this will depend on how the draft lottery shakes out. If a team is starving for a defenseman and they pick third, they’ll take a long look at Drysdale. If he starts falling past seventh, trade up if you can.

    Quotables

    “Drysdale is a dominant presence on the ice who uses excellent speed, agility and rapid decision making to make himself the most dangerous player on the ice at all times. From a stylistic standpoint, there are several similarities between Drysdale and 2017 fourth-overall pick Cale Makar. Both are right shots who love the attack with speed and venture deep into opposing territory. Additionally, Drysdale is able to blend physical gifts such as quickness, escapability, and shot power with the natural instinct to time his movements perfectly and keep the other side in a state of confusion.” –Steve Kournianos/The Draft Analyst

     

    “Drysdale has done nothing to discredit himself as the best defenseman in the 2020 NHL Draft since the start of the year. He’s been outstanding for a middling Erie squad putting up a point-per-game through 40 games. His skating and IQ have been on display all season long including when he emerged as one of the best defensemen on the gold medal-winning Canadian World Junior team despite being the youngest member of the blueline group and has grown his game in the defensive end of the ice. If anything, Drysdale has raised his stock since the beginning of the year and will likely continue to solidify his place as the clear-cut number one defender in this years class.” –Tony Ferreri/Dobber Prospects

     

    Strengths

    • Elite skating
    • Awareness
    • Hands
    • Defensive recovery
    • Calmness

    Under Construction – Improvements to Make

    • Choosing when to be aggressive.
    • Shooting accuracy.

    NHL Potential

    Drysdale’s potential at the next level is sky high. He can be both a shutdown defender on your top pair and your power-play quarterback for the next decade. Players like this only become available at the draft.

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    Trade: Cutter Gauthier traded to Anaheim for Jamie Drysdale and 2nd RD Pick

    in Philadelphia Flyers

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    3 minutes ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said:


    Briere said before the draft Gauthier said he wanted to be a Flyer so they drafted him.  After the World Championships last year, he told them he didn’t want to play in Philly.  The Flyers kept that info from the media & public to protect Gauthier.  They honored his wish and traded him.

     

    So what the hell changed????????

     

    Thinking back .....

     

    this makes sense now ....

     

    That's why the Flyers' fifth-overall pick in the 2022 NHL draft was noticeably absent from Flyers development camp at the beginning of July. “Was a little bit too much hockey after Worlds,” Gauthier told NHL.com on Sunday. “Just too much for me. I wanted time with the family.

     

    https://www.inquirer.com/flyers/cutter-gauthier-flyers-danny-briere-junior-worlds-developmental-camp-20230730.html

     

    https://phillyhockeynow.com/2023/07/30/cutter-gauthier-explains-why-he-missed-flyers-development-camp-philadelphia-prospect-fifth-overall-pick/

     

    https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/flyers-top-prospect-declines-invite-to-training-camp

     

    I smell something rotten in Denmark .......

     

    Me thinks this has been festering for awhile .........

     

     

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