RonJeremy

46 minutes ago, FD19372 said:

How do you outshoot a team 20-4, and only have a 1-0 lead? Frustrating. Again, the Flyers need snipers and finishers. I would, as I said before, like to see Briere trade for one. As I type this, Tarasenko ties the game. 

We have three young guys with tremendous shots, Foerester , Brink and Tippett, the best pure shooters we’ve had in years. What we really need are creative playmakers, especially at center to set them up and make the most of their shooting abilities.

2 hours ago, radoran said:

 

Talk to me when the re-sign Walker and Seeler and Laughton's A ain't going no where.

 

This was a multi-year process when it began and it's not going to go well if they start seeing the group as "definitely a playoff team."

 

I just get the sad feeling sometimes that if they won the Cup Briere and Jones would thank Clarke and Holmgren for their advice and counsel.

 

Which would be why they're never going to win the Cup.

 

We'll know better in a week.

 

I hope not, this is a big chance to expedite the rebuild and even if we draft a center this year ,it’s three years before he’s a factor. Coots will be shot in two years .Other than Konecny we don’t have much high end talent to acquire a center or high draft pick. We already have a setback in the rebuild with losing Gauthier and acquiring an injury prone small defenseman who is already behind in his development due to previous injuries. If someone is gonna overpay for these average defensemen having career years it better not be us. I sure hope we don’t make the same mistakes we’ve made for the last thirty years. 

If we end up with four first round picks, we can get one, probably cost us three picks to move up high enough, but if we fall into the top ten it will be a lot easier and less costly I think there’s only a couple of good centers available in this draft, since it’s loaded with defenseman. Or else we try and trade for Zegras, or one of the  two centers from Buffalo , but I hear a lot  of negative things on these players. I don’t want any injury prone guys, floaters or projects. We probably are gonna lose the Drysdale trade as it is. 

2 hours ago, radoran said:

 

 

They have 21 games left. Every team behind them has games in hand - if the Pens or Caps won their games in hand they are ahead or tied with the Flyers.

 

BY ALL MEANS keep "trying" by playing hard, but don't get some ideas that "making the playoffs" this season is in any way, shape, or form important.

 

This team is two years away from being two years away from being two years away.

 

It's a fun run. Fun to watch.

 

No where near the end.

I want us to collapse into a top 10 draft position. We have been very competitive,  no ten goal games against the Rangers, lots of good comebacks ,we haven’t been blown out alot, no multiple ten game losing streaks and many of our young players have improved a lot. That’s good enough progress for me, the draft is more important. We need a center and we need to trade Seeler,Walker and Laughton. These trades should guarantee us picking in the top ten.

 If we can add two more first round picks, this is a big help to speed up the rebuild and ammunition to trade up in the draft.

35 minutes ago, Cheesesteak said:

see also, Giroux 

The biggest joke of all was you had two playmakers, pass first kinda guys , G and Jake on the same line for years, they should have been on separate lines . Neither would ever shoot the puck and they never got them a finisher. G needed a guy like Tippett. Now we have finishers like Tippett, Brink and Foerester and only one playmaker, which is Frost. Top priority is a skilled center and this team will improve dramatically.

Especially for a playoff run that might not even happen.

15 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

just spitballing here but it strikes me that "X" may not be the best, i.e. the most trustworthy source for potential trade talk.

 

Walker and Seeler's value as trade pieces is obvious but disregarding their value to the Flyers' rebuild is a mistake. If there's a "career year / contract year" concern that's all it is: a concern. It's not a given that either guy's game will drop off the charts once they get a new contract.

 

I'm not saying keep them I'm saying the return for RHD Walker and shot-block leader Seeler should be damn high, as in "wow" and Flyers' fans all agree Briere got a great deal.

Contenders have always overpaid at the trade deadline, especially for defenseman. Walker being a righty is a key and Steelers hard nosed play and shot blocking are very valuable for the playoffs.I don’t think the Flyers asking price is unreasonable.

19 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Their requests for new deals might be what is holding up the trades other teams wanting to know if they have a chance to bring these guys back if they do proved the help needed and their demands as well might be deterring suitors...

If we can’t get a first for Walker, then get a good prospect or at worst two second rounders and one second rounder for Seeler, if we have to give them back a fourth rounder,  then do it.

21 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

There is no one on the roster over the age of 26 that they need to keep.

 

I say that knowing that there are two they're likely stuck with.

 

For the next six years.

 

And Seeler wants over 3. F them both.  

12 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Which is why putting him in the position with either of them was stupid.

 

As was giving Richards the C before they had even drafted him.

 

Which was related to the stupid decision to give it to Smith "to convince him to re-sign".

 

There were certainly a lot of stupid decisions.

 

#halloffame

Absolutely, giving Lindros the C was another. He had enough pressure on him with the refusal to go to Quebec, being anointed the next one after Gretzky and Lemuex ,being 20 years old and being the savior of the Flyers franchise. Your best player is not necessarily your best leader or any kind of leader at all. As you said, lots of stupid decisions, literally about thirty years worth.

4 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

I was mildly curious what the odds makers would say about this one. Frankly I hate the NHL keeps shoving the betting lines down our throats - ever since they partnered with Fanduel I guess.

 

I wonder if Konecny is ready to go yet. Drysdale is “week to week” so we won’t see him for awhile. We know Ristolainen’s out … somebody I’m forgetting … Ellis? I forgot about him 2 years ago…

 

Anyway I’d love to see Foerster keep his point streak going…and for Farabee to end his 11-game goal-less drought. I think of Farabee as a consistent player but his production has been anything but this year..

 

Strange scheduling this week…

Drysdale is week to week and then, they are trying rest and rehab and then he will be re-evaluated, at which time the team will announce he is undergoing season ending surgery. This is the flyers, the writing is on the wall.

4 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I met Mike Richards once after a game in Toronto and quite honestly, he was the most miserable millionaire at the time. I think everything gets amped up in Philadelphia and he hated being under the microscope. It certainly didn't help that he and Pronger did not like each other at all. 

I remember the word was the Flyers locker room was divided into two camps Richard’s and Prongers. Now was Pronger a douche and stepping on the Captains toes or did Pronger take over because Richard’s was partying too much and Pronger knew it. 

55 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Oxys weren't for partying...they were to kill the pain of playing big when you aren't for a team that then shipped you off when you maybe could have used some help. He may even have got hooked on them by said team, just a guess.

 

Richards had a following from his days in junior, busloads from Kitchener used to go to Flyers games because he played his guts out for you.

He did get hooked while on the Flyers, if you remember he had surgeries on both shoulder's, that’s when it happened . Of course Oxys are for partying, people take them and have a few beers. When Richard’s got pinched the pills he had were not prescribed by his Dr, he bought them on the street. He was a great Flyer and came to play every night for sure. The question is ,did the  Flyers management know it was pills and not just drinking and partying in the bar, did they offer him help, did he deny help or having a problem? I do remember when he was having a real off year and people kept asking what’s wrong with Richard’s, he was soon traded. I guess we will never know that part.

1 hour ago, radoran said:

 

That's "the story" that "justifies" it.

 

Never actually been proven.

 

But the upside is getting to work for an organization who commits itself long term to players and then "discovers" a problem.

 

The team line was that they "won the trades" and made the Flyers better.

 

The results speak for themselves.

As far as the story has never been proven…Richard’s got pinched at the border with a crap load of Oxys and was out of hockey at 28, so it looks like they were accurate with Richard’s. Carter had a long productive career, so maybe his partying wasn’t so bad . So maybe they won the Richard’s trade but lost the Carter trade.

28 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

What who said that?? I thought you were talking about getting a center??

 

Well Tippett might be able to bring you a young one back (say even to package and maybe move up and selecting one) and that is the guy i'd rather move as of now.

 

TK is under contract for next season already so i may just keep him till next year's trade deadline even maybe.

 

I am not saying i don't won't to trade TK he just isn't on my list of priorities as of now.

 

1-Atkinson

2-Risto

3-Walker

4-Seeler

5-Laughton

 

Their lack of true center depth is the main reason Laughton has been kept.

 

Might have to package the 19th and 32nd pick to move up and get maybe top 10 and have a shot at a Berkly Catton or some one around that spot you like.

 

On my first roll.

 

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

 

Danny Jones is going to have to get creative not passive to fix this.

 

If we get a first for Laughton and for Walker,that’s four first round picks we would have. I’d  try and move up, do a two for one to land a center and another two for one to land a dman. 

21 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

What who said that?? I thought you were talking about getting a center??

 

Well Tippett might be able to bring you a young one back (say even to package and maybe move up and selecting one) and that is the guy i'd rather move as of now.

 

TK is under contract for next season already so i may just keep him till next year's trade deadline even maybe.

 

I am not saying i don't won't to trade TK he just isn't on my list of priorities as of now.

 

1-Atkinson

2-Risto

3-Walker

4-Seeler

5-Laughton

 

Their lack of true center depth is the main reason Laughton has been kept.

 

Might have to package the 19th and 32nd pick to move up and get maybe top 10 and have a shot at a Berkly Catton or some one around that spot you like.

 

On my first roll.

 

https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

 

Danny Jones is going to have to get creative not passive to fix this.

 

I was talking about getting a center, but I just think TK gets us a better center at this, point than Tippett and I said  don’t wanna trade our only real big power forward Tippett who has a great blend of size ,speed and a great shot and keep a smaller guy who plays physical but will probably break down for playing that way. I’m saying we lost Gauthier,  so if we dump Tippet ,then we have no size on the wings . You need some size with skill in order to be a contender. I like TK, don’t get me wrong but I think Tippett is a bargain at his contract and if I can get a young center and a pick, I’d trade TK. But, since they gave him the A ,would they then turn around and trade him?

Just now, OccamsRazor said:

 

Or what if you wait till the draft offseason and instead trade Tippett??

 

I mean he is 25 and TK is just 26 and well i'd rather keep TK and move Owen just personal preference.

 

Owen's MTC doesn't kick for the next two year and well i want to move him instead of intending him from the start he doesn't bring awhole lot other than scoring if i am being honest.

Tippett is on a good contract and is big and strong and one of the few big power forwards we have.  TK is gonna get a bigger contract and is small guy who plays big and I’m worried about his long term durability. I wouldn’t trade one of our only power forwards especially after losing Gauthier for a small injury prone dman. The other thing is at this point TK will get us a better return.

1 minute ago, flyercanuck said:

 

It's not like he's going to lose a step as he ages. 

 

He'll always have his smarts, and that's what makes him so good.

 

 

Well, if you have good speed and lose a step you can go from being fast to  being quick, when you are slow and hurt your back and then get old, you can go from slow to Brad Marsh.

3 minutes ago, CoachX said:

I think the Flyers will invite you to the press conference to announce Laughtons departure.

42 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

That's why Tortorella should have used Frost there, regardless. This was nothing more than win at all costs.

Frost is playing well but he’s not up to the task of going up against the other teams top line, In time Frost can become a number two center and Cates is not a first or second liner. Poehling is solid and has some traits that Coots has but lacks the offense. Top priority is getting a young center either by moving up in the draft after acquiring two more first round picks for Walker and Laughton, which would give us four first round picks or trading TK or having a foolish team give us a good young center for Laughton or Walker. We gotta get a center for the future. If Coots back ever gives out,we are really F’d.

11 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

So it is crazy how hard this group has responded and worked to get to where they are.

 

 

I know this term gets used a lot but to me it for real feels like they are sitting back playing with house money.

 

But i hope they see pushing Brink and Lycksell more youth can push them maybe further along down the road more than they thought it would so why not roll the dice and flip Walker/Seeler and see if they can fill the gaps from the AHL.

 

Fug it its a rebuild and get this ball rolling with a trade...

As we have all discussed countless times, we have lots of skill on right wing and we are weak at center and secondly LW. I hope Briere gauges the market for TK and can maybe land a great young center plus more for TK.  I don’t really see them trading him right after giving him the A. To be honest we are not getting a high end center any other way, especially picking 25th and 30th. I still hope we can gain two more first rounders trading Laughton and Walker and then use some of those picks to move up if there is a good center available outside the top ten .

1 minute ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I still think Couturier can bounce back. His smarts alone are enough to carry him. And honestly, I expected a rough year after missing nearly two full years. Quite frankly, I'm surprised he's played as well as he has and that maybe, just maybe, the head coach shouldn't have ridden Couturier as hard as he had. That's one of my gripes about Tortorella. He just doesn't know when to let up. There was no reason to ride Couturier so hard. I think Couturier has a big bounce back year next year.

If we had a legit first line center we could lighten up Coots playing time and preserve his career by putting him on the third line,reduce his PK time too.Since we don’t , he will be overused, and totally shot in two years, especially if we make the playoffs.

11 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

I find it funny as hell the one big thing the Flyers could use besides another goal scorer is a goalie...

 

...you look around the NHL and Flyers have goalies scattered all over the East Conference Bob and Stollie in Florida and Alex Lyon in Detroit.

Lyon, Stollie and Mzarek sucked in Philly bit somehow turn out decent playing elsewhere. 

26 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

Count me as a fan of this kid Tyson Foerster.

That kid is strong like bull along the boards, makes nifty little plays in small spaces and sees the ice really well.

Top it off with his poor skating being the reason keep his feet moving all the way to the man, he's sneaky good defensively. He doesn't take lazy stick penalties because he's skating to the man's chest. Now does he always stay on his feet?....welllll .

Let me just say if Morgan Frost were to play like Tyson Foerster he'd be a 85 point player, easy.

His shot is ++. I think ol' Chuckles found a good one.

He looks like a boy even with the facial hair, but he's a killer and as he mans up he's going to be a ****** handful. 

I really like watching him play. 

 

Yes, we have some real snipers in Tippet, Foerester and Brink. Now if we can get some playmaking centers to set them up,so they can reach their maximum offensive output. We had Giroux and Voracek who both passed and never shot, but no finishers, now we have the finishers and no playmaking centers, other than Frost and he has a way to go to be considered a second line center.

8 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

And picking 14th or 12th is so much better? I think you’re dreaming if you’re banking on a lottery pick no matter who Briere trades. I don’t see the Flyers losing 10, 15 out of their final 20 do you? They may drop out of a PO / WC spot - it will be tougher to make it w/out those 3 especially if Drysdale misses a lot of games. 
 

I care about making the POs but not at the expense of the rebuild. Playing meaningful games is always good for a team especially a young team figuring out who they are. The Flyers built an identity this year but pressure changes everything. PO hockey would be an important test for them. It won’t be “Pass/Fail” like it will be when the Flyers become true Cup contenders, but it’ll be a good test just the same. I hope they make it in.

 

Not banking on a lottery pick, but if we can trade up to 12-13 you have a much better shot at getting a good player. The islander’s got Noah Dobson at 12 , go look at his stats, Matt Boldy was also drafted at 12 and we got Farabee with the 14th pick. There are a lot of good defenseman in this draft, we need to make up for the loss of Seeler and Walker. We also have to make up for the injury prone defenseman we just traded for, this is Drysdale’s third major injury in three years. 
 

I don’t really care about the playoffs, this team is nowhere near as good as the record shows, this is mostly due to Torts. We have a long way to go in a rebuild. Our first big piece Gauthier didn’t wanna play and we traded him for a frail injury prone defenseman who is way behind in his development due to missing so much time. Our second big piece Michkov is coming in a few years hopefully. We have no centers in our system. Our top center, Coots is old has a bad back and is fading.  We probably lost our starting goalie. No team is winning anything without two top caliber centers. We have none and drafting 25-30 with our pick and Floridas pick isn’t getting us the kind of center or defenseman we need. We need to get into the top 15. Don’t be fooled because as Coots hits a wall and we wait 2 years for Michkov this team is gonna  take a big drop next year without the over achieving second pair and without Hart. Even if we draft a center this year he’s three years away from being a factor. We have great young wingers and a few good young dmen, but we are weak at the most important position.