RonJeremy

6 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Ricci was only a third line center because that was where the clubs used him. Ricci was ridiculously skilled, but none of the organizations he went to bothered developing his skill. All these organizations wasted him because he was a "two-way" player. That's why I hope the Flyers get away from drafting two way players and just draft offensively gifted players. It's too easy for a coach to put them in that role and never bother developing the rest of their game. That's what happened with Ricci.

Ricci wasn’t really a good skater and was kind of vanilla, I don’t think his skill level was better than any of the guys picked in the top five that year.

9 hours ago, AlaskaFlyerFan said:

A mentor?  Don’t you think Danny would’ve picked someone that has been in North America for a while to do that?  Zamula would be a better choice for that.  Plus, goalies are “different”.

Well he’s an older guy who ,hopefully isn’t a big party guy to turn Michkov into a boozer.

17 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

I think this is a good comparison. 

If Michkov was a farm boy from the Scatch he's the consensus #2 pick behind Bedard last year.

 

I'm beginning to think part of the reason we overpaid for Fedetov is that Briere knew that Michkov was coming over and they wanted a mentor to help Michkov. 

5 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

If they would buy a pair and ship out guys like Konecny, Laughton and Sanheim and well that would help them slide closer to doing that.

 

And it would genuinely be best for the rebuild as well.

 

But i get it keeping TK for the Cup run when he could be 30-31 which isn't too old to help but why i want no more than a 5 year deal because by then you want to be paying him a little less when the deal expires.

 

You're not going to be going damn i wish we locked him longer at that rate by then end.

 

This draft will let us know if they can even find the players they will need to make a great team.

Konecny is gonna be looking for 8 million for 7-8 years, we are already stuck with a washed up Coots for 6 more years. I really hope they trade him. I don’t see them trading Sanheim who is  our best all around defenseman, but if they did that would ensure a total collapse to the bottom of the standings. Just look at how they dropped when they traded Walker. 

48 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I think this is a good comparison. 

If Michkov was a farm boy from the Scatch he's the consensus #2 pick behind Bedard last year.

 

I remember the Flyers and other teams really liked Jags skill and size but were afraid of  problems getting him out of Eastern Europe, then the Soviet Union collapsed  and he came over pretty easily. The Flyers went the safe route with Ricci ,who was really just a third line center. Imagine if we had drafted Jagr and we drafted Forsberg the following year, if we kept them and didn’t trade for Lindros , what a great combo that would have been .
 

Maybe Michkov becomes like Jagr . If you remember that draft it was Owen Nolan, Keith Primeau, Peter Nedved, Mike Ricci and then Jagr. He was by far the best player, so even if he is almost as good as Bedard ,we are ahead of the game.

8 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Doesn't matter

 

after just looking over the last 20 Cup winners

 

you pretty much have to have a #1 or #2 overall on the roster to win a Cup.

 

Only teams that didn't was Blues but they had a #3 and #4 overall on them.

 

And the 2003 Devils but they had the 3rd and 5th overall picks on their team.

 

So yeah if they ain't winning a Cup who cares.

The only thing we can hope for is a guy like MICHKOV who was a # 7, plays like a #1 and then we have to suck again next season an be in the bottom five for a lottery pick.

11 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Doesn't matter you can move guys around let the coaches do their thing.

 

If it works it works.

Foerester is gonna be deadly on the off wing in the Ovechkin trigger position, especially if we ever develop a good PP . It’s easier to move wings around  from left to to right, and vice versa, but trying to create a top 2 center from a winger is very tough, they gotta not only learn to take faceoffs, but actually win more than they lose and the defensive responsibilities are a lot. I can’t name any wingers who were turned into top centers at all. The best chance we have for getting a center is by trading TK to a team that has lots of centers and wants a good scoring winger. As mentioned in previous threads , nobody is giving up an established top two center for a RW, but they may give up an unproven prospect . Anaheim might fit that bill and I’m sure they would probably try and offer Zegras  over McTavish. There are lots of teams that would want TK but whether or not they have a good young center to offer is another story. The other thing is to trade up for a center in this draft, Cayden Lindstrom is a big skilled guy, but I’m reading that a lot of scouts think he will be a wing and doesn’t have what it takes to be a center in the NHL. I guess we should go defense with our 12th pick and hopefully get Yakemchuck and then go center in the following draft or with the FLA pick, but at 28, it’s a long shot to nab a #2 center.

A few articles are saying Michkov is coming over for good.https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/philadelphia-flyers/latest-news/flyers-prospects-matvei-michkov-could-arrive-much-earlier-than-expected

17 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

Why would a player change agents when he is on his very last contract with 6 years to go. Hopefully he's demanding a trade, but who would want him.

2 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I'm fine with giving Drysdale a year to heal up. Let him come back fully 100%, not just healed from the surgery. I'm wondering if teams rush guys back because it's "oh the surgery is healed up, they're ready to go" instead of "the surgery is healed, but now we need to get them 100% game shape ready." Let Drysdale get that surgery and then don't let him back on the ice with the team until he's 100% game shape ready. 

He’s already had almost two full years of healing from other injuries, you can’t keep losing valuable development time early in your career and expect a guy to ever reach his potential . I hope he’s healthy after this, but he may be another Wade Allison.

I’d like to trade up for the big center Lindstrom or the dman Dickinson,  if we pick 12th ,I like Yakemchuck, he’s a monster, he hits and is an offense’s dynamo and he’s a right handed. I’ve watched his highlights ,he looks great. If we go center then I’d go with Iginla, Im drafting bigger tougher players with good skill levels over smaller passive guys with skill. This team needs some skilled guys with size. 

6 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

 

Funny how Clarke never mentioned this until years later when Makar was a star. Clarke wanted a smaller offensive defenceman over a 200 foot WHL centre? I call bs. 

He said the scouts wanted Makar but Hextall overruled that, who knows if that’s true or not. Clarke couldn’t even remember Girouxs name at the draft and it was one of his only good picks he ever made.

3 hours ago, radoran said:

 

Charlie O'Connor's best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this fan who's going with this girl who asked two randos who thought the Wild might have considered offering Rossi for Gauthier three months ago.

 

You're right. I guess it's pretty serious.

 

Of course, that’s how the main stream media verifies sources. I will stoop to that level to justify my argument. 

1 hour ago, radoran said:

 

If by "offered" you mean "a fan asked two writers on a show who said that Gauthier might have been something that could have convinced the Wild to move Rossi" then, fine.

 

https://phillyhockeynow.com/2024/04/24/philadelphia-flyers-trade-rumors-cutter-gauthier-minnesota-wild/

 

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

On 4/23/2024 at 9:36 AM, CoachX said:

based on what?

 

It seems logical to most that Briere took the best offer available. But you keep saying there were better offers and he didnt take them. If thats true, hes incompetent. Where are you getting information that says there were better offers?

Late breaking information…Minnesota offered Rossi for Gauthier. So now we can debate on what we needed more, a center who scored 40 points or a one dimensional defenseman who scored next to nothing and was injured again. I haven’t seen enough of Rossi play, but stats wise, he’s the better guy at this point . I think center was a bigger need than another Ghost style defenseman.If we had gotten Byram than I think I’d have preferred him over Rossi. At this point I think a center would have helped us more than a dman who can’t play defense. Maybe Drysdale turns into Bobby Orr, but so far I’m leaning towards Briere didn’t make the best deal possible.

16 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Ya, thank God they're getting rid of those bad contracts so they can make room....for more bad contracts.

Yes , remember when they bought out Leclair and another big contract and then they signed that slug on skates Vinny LeCavalier to a five year five million dollar deal. They were and still are morons, maybe just to a lesser extent.

7 minutes ago, CoachX said:

Isn’t every draft pick unproven? It’s all the same to me

Yes , but high first round draft picks are given the rookie minimum of 950,000.  We gave Fedetov who was a late  round pick over three times that amount. That is very unprofessional.

20 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

I guess they valued Gauthier more. And I'm sure injuries were a concern. And yes, Drysdale isn't exactly great defensively....yet I've never heard of him mentioned in "Most Overrated Player"  conversations.

Not yet.

26 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Exactly. Considering that the flyers are paying Petersen $5 million, they're paying Atkinson $5+ million (I know, Columbus signed him to the deal), they're paying Ristolainen $5.1 million, this really is a drop in the bucket.

Don't forget we are also paying 4 million to Johansen too. Is Bernie Madoff managing our salary cap?

12 minutes ago, ctid said:

Fair point, and statistically with most players I'm sure you are correct and I'm wrong. I guess this is where good scouting and lifetime hockey experience gut feelings really kick in. I don't have those skills. But if we want high end talent, we need to take some risks and buy "low" otherwise we will only get it by drafting in the top 5 or get extremely lucky to find a Kucherov in the 2nd round.

 

I just don't see how we can acquire this by not drafting in the top 5. That's why I personally would be willing to take the risk with Zegras. But he's not gonna come cheap, and Frost will probably be part of that trade (+ alot more) which would be difficult to swallow. I'm a big fan of Frost and would hate to see him go.

Frost is developing into a good 2 way center, he will never be a #1, but he's almost a #2. We actually need another center in addition to Frost, trading Frost and something else for Zegras still leaves us with only one skilled center. Konecny is still the best bargaining chip to get a center, but I think we need a big power center , who is good on faceoffs and who has offensive skill to complement Frost. We need a younger version of Coots with better skating ability. 

18 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Have you heard about Steve Downie?

 

He was one notch above Claude Boivin,.Steve Smith and Darren Rumble. Clarke could really pick em.

17 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Now go on and on about concussions and Lindros and Patrick and how they don't take head injuries seriously.

 

They take head injuries much more seriously than in the past. In today's NHL Lindros would be unstoppable. Think about the headhunters/ low hitters he had to face, Pilon, Kasperitus,Jovo, Stevens, Samuelsson, Marchment,etc.  There's very few guys like that today. As for Patrick, I didn't like that pick from day one.  Then again, I may be wrong, there's a guy I see daily who's walking around brain dead and falling off bikes,down the stairs and shaking hands with imaginary people. 

3 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

 

Me too - all of us I'm sure - but I wonder about "all that talent." I'm too lazy to look ... did he like blow everybody away in Juniors or what?

 

He can skate and he's a RHD, both of which are a Big Deal. But frankly I wasn't exactly impressed by his hockey IQ either even-strength or on the PP. Granted it's a tiny sample, and granted the Flyers' PP is such a mess no one looks good on it. But I was hoping for more than "he's got wheels."

 

I'm not looking for reasons to knock the guy and I love that he's what, 21 years old? As long as Drysdale is the coachable type Shaw should be able to help him tremendously.

Remember Alexandre Daigle he could skate, he just couldn't do anything else. I'm not worried about the coaching, I'm worried about him physically holding up in order to be coached.

30 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

I'm guessing his significant concussion history didn't thrill the Flyers?

 

Kid has 164 games in four years and three major concussions.

 

"Often injured" Jamie Drysdale has 17 fewer games in slightly less time.

 

Not sure one is a clear pick over the other.

 

One thing's for sure, if they'd taken Byram there'd be somebody saying that Drysdale was on the table.

 

Yes he was on the trainers table and the operating room table,multiple times.