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18 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

The offseason dark horse for the Flyers:

 

Isaac Ratcliffe.

Yea I agree with this.  I've been watching him since he was drafted.  He's got a very good shot, good hands.  Vision is good and skating is good enough.  He needs to put on muscle for sure and make it through a solid 50 games or so without injury.   I do think he's middle 6 material if he can put it together.  This is the year for him to do it.

9 hours ago, ruxpin said:

I hate buying high and selling low.  It's a horrible practice in any business.  My thought is this isn't selling low vs selling high.  It's low vs. lower, IMO.

If this is the stock market last March, if you sold while it was crashing you missed out on a lot of money 6 months later. 

Sometimes it's better to just sit back and let things happen while keeping a watchful eye because things that once were (there's a reason he was considered the #2 pick by many people) can once again come back.  I'm not saying he will, but giving him a full off-season, training camp...and 30-40 games.  Then, if he still shows he's a -30 player, get what you can for him or simply walk away.  

On 5/16/2021 at 9:34 AM, flyercanuck said:

I really don't see the need to "get rid of" Nolan Patrick. He makes under a million a year. I'm not sure what his value is on the trade market but it can't be high. And for whatever pick/prospect you're going to get for him, I highly doubt they will have the upside that he holds. Health is clearly his issue. Yes he played very apprehensive, and I know all the guys wanting to run him out of town would be going balls to the wall if they were recovering from the conditions he is and playing pro hockey . 

^^^ This.   It comes down to a business decision.  Patrick's potential is greater than anything they would get in a trade.   Plain and simple.

I get the frustration with him obviously.  It's compounded by having (2) #2 picks being JVR and Patrick.   It's infuriating.  But that's not his fault, nor are his health issues.   Patrick actually has potential.  JVR?  Jake? Hayes?   We've seen their best and now they are on their way down.  

Also, a professional athlete (or their agent) asking for more money doesn't seem that strange to me.   In fact, I asked my boss for more money and do it every year.  Why is that strange/wrong?   It's a business, he's an employee.   I bet none of you have ever said, "boss, I don't think I deserve more money this year because I didn't do my best last year." 

Also also, this is coming from Serivalli....  So 50/50 it's true but even if it is, Patrick getting 1-1.25m in a full, prove-it or else season is the right choice to me.

On 5/11/2021 at 3:05 PM, ruxpin said:

Lindblom and Patrick came from the type of injuries they had with predictable issues with stamina.   I mean, the length of time they were out and from what and they come back with no camp, no practice time, 3-4 games/week, etc., and then throw in a bout with COVID, ever-changing linemates, etc.    I know hockey players are supposed to be superhuman, but Jesus...

So you are saying that Patrick might, maybe, could become a average #3 center?    

4 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Hayes is exactly what he came advertised as...a guy who takes plenty of games off and gets benched for it. Then traded. Except now he has an immoveable contract that our management (and nobody elses) thought he deserved. 

 

 He's exactly what a bunch of us warned he'd be. 

Well then.  You just ruined the next 5 years of my life.  Thanks.

2 hours ago, ruxpin said:

Aside from the VeeGees, it's time to give up on Patrick.   Just move on already.    I mean, he's finally had an okay year but even the Blackhawks had the good sense to cut bate from Ryan Hartman.  I realize there's a difference between #30 and #2, but it's still a first round pick and they moved quickly.   We've waited until we might get a box of outdated pudding.   But just do it.

I understand this completely and if they did it, I wouldn't have a problem with it.   However, I think giving him one more year with a full off-season, training camp and so on could really help him.  I think this season was him proving to himself he could take hits and skate 50 games.   Now that's proven possible, I bet next season he will show more of what made him the 2nd overall pick.   He might never be a #1 or #2 center, but if they can get him to be a better than average #3 center, that would help this team a lot. 

Like everyone else, I don't really know what the problem is but I wouldn't pin this on AV. 

From what I saw/read/felt something is wrong with Hayes.  He flat out sucked all year save for a few games.  I'm not sure what happened but he was dreadful.   Maybe he's part of the lock room issues if there are any.  Not sure.  It's all hearsay at this point.

4 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I do like both of these choices....but both clubs have the money and why would they let them walk when they are one of the top team in their respective conferences??

 

I have to ask myself if this was the Flyers and they were playing so well and had the cap space WTF would you let key pieces just walk out the door??

Any player can be had for the right (over) price.  Flyers have plenty of pieces to make something happen.  

I'm not saying they will happen, I'm just saying that those are the 2-3 players I would target and see what it would take.  

Can't hurt to ask.

@radoran 

Re: UFAs

Dougie Hamilton

Gabriel Landeskog

Tyson Barrie

5 hours ago, Howie58 said:

I guess Taryn makes it a bit easier.  

I try to start watching with about a minute left in the first, then after about 15 minutes go do something else.  Check back in about 45 minutes later at the end of the 2nd.  If the score at the start of the 3rd is decent I'll watch the rest.

3 hours ago, FD19372 said:

I like Farabee a lot, but if you can get a stud d man in a package with him, later Joel.

Outside of Ghost, Farabee is the only creative player on the team.  It would have to be a hell of a return for me to say yes. 

Morin/Ghost was better than Sanheim//Meyers vs Bruins.  I like Morin's play so far with Ghost.

42 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

Sure he was tripped by the ice maybe not sure what else you are referring too.

 

Trip, fell whatever.

 I'll go out on a limb and say it was sarcasm. 

18 minutes ago, radoran said:

Andrew MacDonald had more playoff goals (4) than Giroux (3) in his tenure. I noticed that the other day when looking over AndyMac's history for another post.

I'm done with the Flyers for today.  

6 minutes ago, FD19372 said:

He had a tenure? 

5ish years.  That's a decent tenure considering the average career length for a NHL player is about 5 years according to ESPN.  ( I know..)

1 minute ago, radoran said:

It also puts him at a disadvantage in the postseason as teams can focus on shutting him down - and they have. He has four goals in the playoffs as captain - in 35 games.

Jesus that hurt to remember.

Just had another thought.... what if it's all the gingers on this team.  I'm only half-kidding and mean no offense to our ginger-posting friends.

Full ginger = Giroux, Jake, Couturier, (Harnell still counts as a broadcaster), Gritty

Half ginger ? = Raffl? Hayes? Hart? Braun? Morin is close

Thank god for Oskar and his blonde locks.  

6 minutes ago, elmatus said:

The 2022 draft in particular is reported to be the potentially best draft year since 2003. Aim for that year and the following couple after it and load up on as many quality prospects as possible.

I read that whole book you wrote      You made some good points.  My only argument is that, as you stated, the draft is pretty much a lottery.   So collecting quality draft picks might lead them to this exact same spot in 5 years.   Scalpel or hatchet.  

I'm in the scalpel group.  

2 minutes ago, FD19372 said:

At this point...you look for the infection, until it's gone. If you make an educated guess, and it's a mistake, so be it. NO ONE should be feeling safe from being moved, on this team. So beyond tired of my belief, that this team has been and continues to be, Club Med Philadelphia.

Agreed, they need to make sure they get it all.  GM and the head coach Cerberus (plus Lappy) should have insight into exactly where it's festering.  

Just now, FD19372 said:

If they're in anything but complete sell mode, I'll be p*ssed. If they try to make some false narrative, and compare this to a two years ago St. Louis Blues situation, I'll be p*ssed. The fact is, the leadership group isn't good enough on the ice, and the rookies aren't progressing. That's it, period. Trying to put a pretty bow on it, doesn't make this look more appealing. It's a complete mess, and an organizational FAILURE. Cheers.

The only way I'm with you on this is if there is a legit known factual problem within the team.  Player issues.  Then, I'd be okay with cutting out the infection.  

1 hour ago, CoachX said:

I don't see covid having anything to do with what a we are seeing

1. It shorted the preseason to nearly nothing.  
2. Covid effected the schedule and led to the most grueling month in Flyers history.  

Those are two direct, irrefutable correlations.  You said "anything" so I'm just pointing out two facts against that argument. 

Now, if you said something like "I don't see covid having much to do with what we are seeing.... "

I know, I know, semantics.  But sometimes it matters.

2 hours ago, otto12 said:

Been watching pro hockey for more than 70 years. Learned that teams have personalities. Some respond to adversity, some don't.

 

As much as I would miss the season I was hoping for a cancellation. Had a gut feeling that covid-19 was a killer for the flyers. Missing a top pair defenseman, short training camp and a lack of strong leadership, they weren't a contender.

 

Still, I would not use this season to evaluate who goes and who stays. Use the time to prepare for the off season and expansion. Write this season off.

Good post.  We are on the same page.  I wouldn't mind losing one of JVR/Jake to Settle.  Get a #2 dman in the off season and reset for next year.  Then lets see what tweaks they need to make.    My guess is only a few here and there.  There are some good players getting ready to come up.  That influx of youth should really help.

14 minutes ago, FD19372 said:

One of the big 3 (cough cough), at least by contract,  have to go. I hope it isn't Hayes

I don't disagree with you.  Any of the 4 for me.  Giroux, Jake, Hayes, JVR.  

But I can't see Fletch selling off the big name splash he made happen.    I could see the other 3 happening before Hayes.

1 minute ago, Podein25 said:

 

Fire the wife! 

She read this over my shoulder.  You're screwed.