Leach27

 hey, if you can get something for an old guy you signed from a tryout, do it.  Maybe that's why they're actually playing him?  To showcase?

 

Good question about Mez.   He's a UFA this summer, so not that big a risk for a 3rd or 4th pick, don't you think?

Agree on both statements. They could be show casing Gill. I would take whatever is offered for mez, as we will be gone as a UFA, and we could use the capspace.

I will let it go, but you need to as well. Call it what you want, it's a defense. I have never changed my position despite your numerous attempts to sidetrack the thread. You focused in on me saying "Lavy hasn't helped them much".

True what you say about Jagr, he has had a very long career, 23 years and 7 nhl teams. I know I said he was a journeyman, but re-considering that statement. He could be the exception.

Just a matter of time before laughton is brought in.

Anyone seen this goal??? Why is he not with The Flyers? 13 games he has 14 g and 11 a.

Mike Richards

You have a serious response?

sounds reasonable to me! Bye Coburn!!!!!!!!!

I think Jagr would fit as he has been with so many teams, and lately one year contracts. Although I disagree that talbot is a journeyman.

This organization can't get any worst. It's the lowest of the low right now and who cares what people think. Maybe taking the C off of Giroux will kick his a-s-s into gear. If not trade him. It's not like he can get any worst like others said. There has to be some accountability. I mean how long does Flyers fans have to wait. It's been over a year so far of him not living up to exception. 

You want to trade the franchise player 13 games into the season?? Last year injured g had 48 pts in 48 games, you can't say that is terrible. Don't you think we should give him more time?? Regardless I'm going to humor the question. So where do we trade G to?? LA kings?? What is the return? Who do we build the franchise around once he is gone??

I acknowledged he got us to the final. How do you interpret that as "doesn't count"?? Those are your words rad, not mine. For someone who never liked lavy or his system your spending a lot of time defending him.

I think you have to be *in* favor to drop out of favor.

 

Gill has only played 1 game.  Even if he is supposed to play against the Canes, I don't think that would be enough to hold him. 

Maybe not. But The Flyers are really high on him for some reason. What can we get for him anyway?

That's just silly.

What's he going to do? Get all pissy and start playing badly? He's already there. His game only has upswing potential at this point.

Maybe he earns the captaincy back? Who knows, but a statement must be made to this team and this captain.

 

I agree with what you have said, but It's to late now to change captains. if we took the c away from G and said when one emerges they will get the c, that would make the organization look like even more of a joke. Were firing coaches 3 games into the season, saying were not trading certain players and then trading them, awarding a player the "c", taking the "c" away. Like a reality show with no plot.

Here I thought this thread was going to be about Neal Schon or Janathan Cain.

To me, an additional ingredient is that they are traded rather than move due to free agency. Additionally, there is the ingredient of being average in skill. I don't see this term used for top line players no matter how often they move

Streit, for me, doesn't qualify. He's moved twice but was traded neither time.

Without looking at his moves, Prospal strikes me as a journeyman. Silllinger. Carle. Eminger. Asham.

I like this thread, though. I don't have a hard, fast, answer and it's a term I both hear and use all the time.

I agree. Streit doesn't qualify. The two times he was moved were because he was a UFA, he didn't walk away he signed a contract with a new nhl team as per his rights according the cba.

I thought  "journeyman" meant that a worker (or player), was capable, but not highly skilled.

I'm sticking with this definition, as imo the # of teams they played for is a factor.

"the journeyman is a player that travels from team to team throughout his career, never really finding a place that will keep him around for the long term".

This is what I said.

Posted Yesterday, 09:44 PM

Leach27, on 03 Nov 2013 - 9:41 PM, said:

You stated many times how much you dislike him and his system and that he got us to the final. You really remind me of that student in chem that was centered out. Here I will answer for you. Yes Lavy did get us to the final in 2010, but after that it was all downhill. His many failures stand out more than his 1 trip to the final.

then it seems like you're "centered out" with that term.

 

I just see you and me talking about whether Lavy's Cup-winning pedigree "did something" for the team. What's the "group" you're referring to? Are there others who have asserted that his pedigree did virtually nothing for the team, before insisting that the Cup Final appearance didn't count?

lol. I never said it didn't count.

Posted Yesterday, 09:44 PM

Leach27, on 03 Nov 2013 - 9:41 PM, said:

You stated many times how much you dislike him and his system and that he got us to the final. You really remind me of that student in chem that was centered out. Here I will answer for you. Yes Lavy did get us to the final in 2010, but after that it was all downhill. His many failures stand out more than his 1 trip to the final.

There is no pretty much, you either are a journeyman or your not. I prefer the definitive world, not that of indecisiveness.

Here is the definition again as you missed it in the original response. "The journeyman is a player that travels from team to team throughout his career, never really finding a place that will keep him around for the long term".

Streit does not fit based of this definition. It is not "my" definition it's hockeys definition.

You stance is 3 nhl teams constitutes a journeyman? Must be a lot of them in the nhl then

So, to recap here, having Lavy as coach with a Cup winning resume did "do something" for them.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

What is "centered out"? Teh Google doesn't seem have anything relevant on the comment.

Glad you asked. Centered out means "being singled out from the group".

ok. well what about zalapski, ulf Samuelsson, satan, mathieu schneider, or brian boucher?? All journeymen by standard definition.

And he just walked away from the team he was the captain for; a team that, indeed, did want to keep him around long term. Instead, he went on a little journey south.

He didn't walk away, he was about to become a UFA. He fulfilled the 5 year contract he had signed with the NYI.

Streit or Lecavalier would be a better captain that I am certain of. However I don't think I would go as far to say Streit is "much a journeyman" as he has only played for 3 nhl teams, habs, nyi and flyers. By definition "The journeyman is a player that travels from team to team throughout his career, never really finding a place that will keep him around for the long term".

For example Mike Sillinger would be considered a journeyman as he played for 12 nhl teams; New York Islanders, Nashville Predators, St. Louis Blues, Phoenix Coyotes, Columbus Blue Jackets, Ottawa Senators, Florida Panthers, Tampa Bay Lightning, Philadelphia Flyers, Vancouver Canucks, Mighty Ducks of Anaheim and Detroit Red Wings.

Leach27

Flyers could use a veteran forward(other than Lecav) like they had in Jagr, maybe it was stupid of Homer to let Gagne walk.

Could Gagne be a cheap answer?

I was thinking the same, him or jagr

http://spectorshockey.net/blog/sunday-nhl-rumor-roundup-november-3-2013/

Garrioch also reported Senators GM Bryan Murray has held talks with a couple of teams seeking an upgrade on defense. He could try to shore up the blueline if the Senators fail to improve over the next couple of games. Garrioch lists the Flyers Hal Gill, the Maple Leafs John-Michael Liles, the Canucks Yanick Weber, the Kings Alec Martinez and the Panthers Tom Gilbert among the list of available blueliners.

I don't see this happening right now because Gill will play against the canes, unless he all of a sudden drops out of favor then he might be moved. Also I thought that the sens had a lot of depth on D in binghamton? So why would they want Gill, the only good thing about him is that he would come cheap. Why are they not interested in getting mez back??

Briere is doing terrible in montreal. He is injured right now (concussion IR), plays on the 4th line and has 1 g and 2 a in 8 games. I think we would have seen the same production from briere if he was on The Flyers. Homer made the right decision with Briere.

Posted Yesterday, 09:44 PM

Leach27, on 03 Nov 2013 - 9:41 PM, said:

Other than getting us to the final in 2010. What exactly did Lavy do for this team???

You stated many times how much you dislike him and his system and that he got us to the final. You really remind me of that student in chem that was centered out. Here I will answer for you. Yes Lavy did get us to the final in 2010, but after that it was all downhill. His many failures stand out more than his 1 trip to the final.

Rick Jeanneret because he is so damn funny.

"top shelf where momma hides the cookies"!!!

This isn't a "defending Lavy" experiment. This is a "reality" experiment.

 

The "reality" is that he did "do something" and that "something" got them to the Cup Final and that "something" had something to do with them keeping him this past summer when they likely should have gotten rid of him.

 

I never liked his style and I never liked his approach. I mocked his marmalade "jam" system incessantly. He can't handle goalies worth a damn. He should have been fired last April.

 

But "getting to a Cup Final" is a far cry from "didn't seem to help them much."

I'll tell you something my chemistry teacher said to another student, "great answer, but you didn't answer the question".