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21 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

I remember the Flyers and other teams really liked Jags skill and size but were afraid of  problems getting him out of Eastern Europe, then the Soviet Union collapsed  and he came over pretty easily. The Flyers went the safe route with Ricci ,who was really just a third line center. Imagine if we had drafted Jagr and we drafted Forsberg the following year, if we kept them and didn’t trade for Lindros , what a great combo that would have been .

 

Ricci was only a third line center because that was where the clubs used him. Ricci was ridiculously skilled, but none of the organizations he went to bothered developing his skill. All these organizations wasted him because he was a "two-way" player. That's why I hope the Flyers get away from drafting two way players and just draft offensively gifted players. It's too easy for a coach to put them in that role and never bother developing the rest of their game. That's what happened with Ricci.

2 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

They need a centre, but I also hope they don't do something stupid just to get A centre. If Michkov has to wait for a true #1 centre, then so be it. Better than rushing into something we're going to regret....

I don't think Necas would be stupid, especially if it's a straight up swap for Farabee. I'm wondering if this would also cause a wholesale of changes. For instance, could we see not just Farabee, but possibly Frost and Brink also get moved? 

2 hours ago, JR Ewing said:

 

I get that you're not necessarily saying that he will be like Mark Stone, but I don't think he'll be close, to be honest. Stone has been a lot more productive at every level of hockey. I dunno... I see Foerster as a 0.5ish PPG game player.

 

Essentially, we agree. I just think it's really far from Mark Stone.

 

 

I see Foerster as a more well rounded JvR. Not quite as good a skater as JvR, but better all around player.

We're going back to the days of smuggling players out of Russia. I guarantee that's what will happen with Michkov. He's going to go conveniently "missing" in a close to border town and they're going to get him and his family out of there ASAP. I remember when Buffalo did this for Mogilny.

I'm fine with giving Drysdale a year to heal up. Let him come back fully 100%, not just healed from the surgery. I'm wondering if teams rush guys back because it's "oh the surgery is healed up, they're ready to go" instead of "the surgery is healed, but now we need to get them 100% game shape ready." Let Drysdale get that surgery and then don't let him back on the ice with the team until he's 100% game shape ready. 

39 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

I can't tell if with the "size and meanness" you're being facetious or if you really are Bobby Clarke. 

 

If said meanie person first has skill, I'm fine, but mean/size vs  skill, this club has got to start acquiring skill.

Oh, there's plenty of skill with Yakemchuk and Elick. Yakemchuk is a 30 goal, 70 point defenseman in the WHL who just happens to be mean and physical.

As for Elick, his skill is that he's a premier shutdown defenseman who can handle the puck capably. Think beast mode Braydon Coburn, but beast mode 100% of the time. And yes, he's also mean and physical. 

I've thought about this previously and I'm going with size and meanness elements that are going to be needed. At 12, I'm hoping that Carter Yakemchuk is available. If he's not, then one of Iginla, Catton or Helenius is fine. With the Florida pick, Charlie Elick. This clun needs some serious meanness in the lineup. 

In terms of round 2, Yegor Surin from Russia would be my choice.

https://phillyhockeynow.com/2024/04/24/philadelphia-flyers-trade-anaheim-ducks-address-team-needs/

Here's the article where Jonathan Bailey suggests the Ristolainen/Konecny for Zegras and others deal.

2 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

 

After he got traded there were stories about Provorov's "blame others" thing, how it was out of control and he was genuinely disliked around the room. I can understand some of Provorov's frustration with the Flyers; the team was a hot mess for much of his time in the O&B. But as a teammate (if the stories are true) he can be quite an a-hole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That works have been nipped in the bud through proper development. The entitlement and blame game only came during his tenure in Philadelphia. Sad really. Those four coaches did him no favours at all.

29 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

I think the Flyers have an aneurysm before they send Konecny to mentor Cutter Gauthier.

 

Blow my doors off and I just don't see them doing it.

Oh no. I'm with you on that. 

Not sure if anyone saw Jonathan Bailey's article, but he suggested trading Konecny and Ristolainen to Anaheim for a package that includes Zegras. He doesn't mention who else should be in the package with Zegras, but he suggested that should be where the Flyers start. 

Just now, radoran said:

 

Yes, the point being that when you look back at a draft, you see things differently than when looking forward to a draft.

 

Flyers probably would have screwed up Rantanen as well.

 

Definitely would have ruined Rantanen. I'm still not convinced that they know how to develop talent. It's evident down in Lehigh Valley they certainly don't.

Provorov was rated ahead of Rantanen his draft year. Provorov was the right pick at the time. The problem with Provorov was development (there's that d word again). Hakstol, Gordon, Vigneault and Yeo never bothered correcting the flaws in his game. They just continually threw him out on the ice, regardless. There was a different set of rules for Ivan when compared to everyone else. 

By the time Tortorella and Shaw came to town, it was too late. Provorov was basically the defenseman he is and he wasn't changing his game for anyone, regardless. This franchise ruined what should have EASILY been a number one defensemen for the club. I'm not saying Provorov isn't blameless (his refusal to change his game and to blame others for his shortcomings), but he was a product of his development. Another player the Flyers managed to ruin. That one really hurt.

12 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Disappointed Kolosov isn't getting the start. No reason to even be playing Petersen.

 

Flyers do know there is nothing to be gained by tanking in the AHL right?

This is that stupid mentality that you have to 'earn' your spot and that veterans are ALWAYS given the preferential treatment. It's a ****** joke. Another reason that Puckhead needs to go. He knows nothing of player development.

25 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

To answer the thread's title question I'd say trading Konecny means a more thorough rebuild is underway. I never thought they'd consider trading him. He's the heartbeat and the energizer for the Flyers. But after the way the season ended maybe Jones/Briere are re-thinking their strategy. Trading TK is the Flyers admitting "building a Cup contender will take longer than we thought."

 

And then I watched Briere's exit presser.... never mind. They're not re-thinking anything...Laughton is a Flyers Lifer, TK too. I doubt Briere makes any hockey trades this summer. Maybe a buyout or a mercy trade for Atkinson...maybe Ristolainen gets dumped somehow somewhere...but no hockey trades. Briere sounds perfectly content to let things roll the way they are now going into next season. 

I'm an advocate of tearing the thing back to the studs and rebuilding, but I also get the idea that you have to have some sort of structure in place when you're bringing in players. A lot of times, you just can't have someone be fed to the wolves and hope they can fend for themselves. 

After watching the press conference, what I came away with is that they haven't decided what's next with regards to the rebuild. They gave the generic answers that I expected (i.e. "nobody expected this from us", "we need to add more talent", "not at a point to give up young talent for veterans", etc....They heaped praise on a few people and then just did the typical lip service non-playoff teams give. 

To me, everything depends on what happens at the draft. That's going to be the epicenter of their off-season plans. They've given no real morsels on what they plan on doing at the draft. Cap management is going to have to be a must though. They need to lose some salary, so I think that might get some priority there. For instance, if they move Atkinson and say they have to take on a bad contract, are they willing to take on a lesser deal, but with more years? That's the type of deal I'm expecting Briere to make. 

30 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

Okay, honest question. I'm interested in opinions.

 

Obviously the NHL rink is smaller than over there. 

 

Setting aside the possibility that the difference in angles plus nerves didn't help him in his one game.

 

Considering his size does the NHL ice size hurt him, help him, or not relevant? Especially in situations in which the opponent has the zone.

I don't think the size of the ice surface really makes a difference for him. Fedotov is such a large presence that the key with him is his lateral movement and how quickly he can get up from the butterfly. 

His movement is crisp. Just seeing him move side to side while in the butterfly is incredible. I get that his debut wasn't the greatest, but just watch clips from the games he appeared in and just watch how well he moves. That's going to be his thing. 

11 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

For me, the Ducks would surely want too much to make the trade worth it. If he were to come at a relative giveaway price, it would be interesting but, either way, Tortorella would likely have him benched within weeks.

 

This is spot on. That's part of the reason why I hope they go after Necas instead. He'll cost less in terms of assets to give up and there's no problems with his two-way game. 

1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

And at the end of the day we can't do a damn thing about it

 

It is what it is

Exactly. Considering that the flyers are paying Petersen $5 million, they're paying Atkinson $5+ million (I know, Columbus signed him to the deal), they're paying Ristolainen $5.1 million, this really is a drop in the bucket.

You know what? It's $3.25 million bucks. In the grand scheme of things, it's less than 4% of the salary cap. Besides, Fedotov basically came over, got thrown to the wolves while his life was in complete upheaval and probably experiencing serious culture shock. A full off-season of being around a number of the players and staying in the area will do him a world of good. I expect a completely different player when training camp rolls around. 

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Who do you want want then?

I got to thinking about it and as much as I want centers this draft, they might be better off holding off until next year to draft a center or centers. Instead, I hope they land Yakemchuk and Elick. Give me two right handed defensemen with size, a seriously mean disposition, one who has offensive skills like John Carlson and the other is an elite shut down defender. They can then move Drysdale to the left side and let him roam from his offside.

6 hours ago, radoran said:

 

Make an argument for why the teams they are on don't want them and why, if they don't want them, we do?

 

I will. In the case of Necas, it's simply a matter of money. Carolina has some significant free agents to re-sign. Necas is the player they could part while it might sting, it won't hurt them or hamper them. 

As for Peyton Krebs, he's just seriously miscast in Buffalo. For whatever reason, he just hasn't caught traction in Buffalo. It's similar to that of Tippett in Florida. It's simply a matter of fit.

As for both Rossi and Zegras, I think it's a matter of their respective clubs trying to shake things up. The thing is, their respective clubs are going to demand serious compensation. 

43 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

Just two of these guys would increase the skill level enough to where some the young skill the Flyers have on the wing could really improve too.

It's an interesting time to be a fan of this team.

I have no idea what they have planned .

Both coach and GM say they need more skill in their exit pressers, so I'd be surprised if the roster isn't different next season -and maybe significantly so.

I'd be good with Necas and Krebs. Having Necas with Foerster and Konecny would be REAL fun to watch. As well, I could see Krebs forming good chemistry with Farabee and Tippett. Finally, you could put Cates with Frost and Brink and that could be something special. And we haven't even gotten to Couturier yet, but you could swap out Frost with Couturier and have a fourth line of Poehling with Frost/Couturier and Hathaway. I know some will lose it over Couturier on the fourth but at this point, his load needs to be lightened until he's back in full game shape. This gives him time and you can still use him on special teams. Tortorella rode him hard this year and Torts should have known that they needed to restrict his minutes to begin the year after being away for nearly two years. This is a reset for Couturier and playing on that line should help him get back to full game shape.

Necas is also 25, so he'd fit the timeline as well. Krebs is 23. Neither will cost you a first round pick or your top prospects. This is a huge win if Briere adds them.

2 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Sure they can. But planning on finding those guys is a fool's errand.

 

Teams may hit on a guy like that once in 10-15 years.

 

The Flyers got a pretty good player at 22 once... Not that they planned on it or the GM even knew his name, but they did! And then tremendously overvalued him...

 

There are also fewer and fewer European players being "missed" like Kucherov.

I didn't know if they tremendously overvalued him as much as they refused to find good complimentary talent for him. There was Voracek and Couturier, but they really hung G out to dry numerous times. 

1 hour ago, tucson83 said:

this isnt not about fletch, i know alot about hockey when superstars like matthews and mcdavid are always blowing it in the playoffs, if you know anything about hockey why dont you grow a pair and tell me why? i can tell you why but you are the one that doesnt want to hear it.

In fairness, Yzerman also blew it numerous times in the playoffs. I'm sure everyone would have killed to have a Steve Yzerman in their lineup though. Context matters. 

I've read that the Flyers are looking to gear up and see about the availability of guys like Necas, Rossi, Krebs, and Zegras this summer. Now, if they're moving out guys like Laughton, Atkinson, Farabee, I'd have no problems with that DEPENDING what the cost is. I know Carolina is going to be in a huge cash crunch this summer, so they might be able to squeeze a Necas from Carolina. I'm not sure what Minnesota would want for Rossi and Krebs would be part of the package Buffalo would offer up for Laughton. Zegras is the dark horse here because nobody knows what Verbeek would want.