BearOnIce

Nice analysis. My premise should have been, well ok, they can skate but they cannot D. Keep the faith.

Open mouth. Insert foot. Bite hard. Move Colburn, and the others.

I cannot disagree with anything you say. My team is in the woodshed right now. Congratulation to a fine team and a proud franchise on your 20th at home!

More credence to why I am getting closer to NHL Center Ice as my home team.

Hope he enjoyed watching the Bertuzzi goal.. He looked like an occasional tourist. He had a great view.. $4.2M? Nope

9 W -11 L since Winter Classic. Flyers D creating problems. Detroit trying to make it 20 home wins in a row. Motivation there. Volatile mix. Flyers lose tonight, expect psyincter-level meter at WFC Monday morning to rachet up and be off the chart. If it is a slaughter, a trade will be eminent.

I think Hal Gill would be a band-aid. I can't see Holmgren going for it.

Good points MD. You really know hockey, unlike some of the thugs on this forum. Bear appreciates your hockey intelligence. I do not question Lavy. I question his flexibility right now with what he has to work with. A stand-on-your-head top notch goalie is the difference to Lavy's system working, or not. I bet he put a lot of pressure on Holmgren and Snider in the off-season to get a top goalie, like Bryz. So, that being said, that is why Lavy is still trying to go with the guy and let Bryz try to work it out. What option does he have? The G is that important to his system. But Bryz has never had to work this unexposed before, at least not in Phoenix... I think the real problem, net-net, is the D. They just aren't that good. You can squarely fault the Flyers lack of a farm system. CP20 out exposed them even further. Add a basically weak D, that is not that known for skating. Then that is forced to skate up and back with the forwards, that are pretty fast let me add. Then approaching the second half of the season when the fatigue and injuies are starting to show. And then the D can't get back in position to man-up, keep the crease clean, and win the puck battles in the corners, after skating up and back with the forwards, and you see what we have now. I do not think it is conditioning. Look no further than Kimmo as an example. It's the system! Watch tonight and see what I am saying when the D gets totally out of position. Lavy has to modify the system short term and Holmgren has got to make a trade. It really is that simple and when that is done there will be a huge improvement. One more thing, when the forwards just start flying around and the D joins, although the backside is exposed completely, you do see the system work. So unless Bryz becomes a Cam Ward and stops every breakdown, the system has to change.

.-( They'd better win or the xhit is going to hit the fan tomorrow morning at WFC Flyer-Land....

The dregs....

Flyers will rule you tonite. They are a f'king pissed off team after getting the xhit kicked out of them by the rags.

Hope things are well in Idaahoo today. Beautiful part f the world. There is no leader and there is no leadership. Kimmo trys to speak out but the leadership role does not come naturally to him. Hartnell is a clown. Briere is a nice, laid-back little French-Canadien boy. Talbot is one year in and just a nice addition. Jarg is a gun for hire. Shelley never plays. Lots of new guys all real young. G is the future leadership, Comcast seems gun shy. CP20 was supposed to be The Guy. Remind you of last year a bit? Lots of great guys and different types but no player leader. This is the biggest loss of CP20.

I would agree with you. I like all of Howie's points though.

I love Pronger, don't get me wrong, been following Nastly Chris since The Note at Keil, but I would rather see him on the bench with Lavi, and trying to live the rest of his life with some semblance of health and normalcy. Add Primeau... Now that boys would be a coaching staff... Just give Prim's and CP20 a pair of sunglasses that wrap around the side of their heads like those 80 year old people you see driving all the time on I-95 and they would be cooking..

Thank you very much. Wait until I really get going.

May he rest in piece. We will set the next Stanley Cup on his grave and sing Kum Ba Ya.

Go ya.

Yea, I like Kapt'n Kangaroo too.. Good points... You seem like you know a bit about hockey.. So what would you do Coach Bob with this 2011-12 Flyers team?

Lavy is a solid NHL coach. And he has a Cup with a very average Carolina team with a very average goalie. I also grew up with the kid in my home town so I am here to tell you Doom he was a good player with a good head on his shoulders. McCarthy can go tomorrow and I will be happy. No more homerism. Go outside.

Hatrnell? I could score 20 goals if i was on that line. He will be the overated Leino of the 2011-12 season.

The Chief is a Comcast-Flyers mole. I have said from the beginning this franchise cannot be serious with him there as an assistant.

If they get blown out by Detroit, a likely scenerio, then the Snider Holmgren Comcast spin will start in earnst. If Laviolette is the fall guy I will divorce this team forever and move to NHL Center Ice. When you don't have a farm system that deveops players like the Red Wings do, and have done consistently with excellence, you get the slop that we have consistently seen the past 20+ years with this Flyers franchise. Excuse after excuse year after year. It makes it hard for a local hockey fan to get on board with this franchisee's as their local NHL team. I am so tired of hearing Snider say he does everything to win, then does not do everything to win because of the stupid personnel decisions of this franchise. Ok, let's see what this genius Holmgren does. The Pronger situation masks the real situation. Dump and chase does not work in the NHL today with the size and skill set of our forwards. We do not have an Alpha Male beast center on the whole team. There needs to be a better defensive puck control system with better backchecking and defensive scheme. The D is truly porous and lightweight, no grit or meanness. No blue line fear. Thrown around like rag dolls. By the NY Rag Dolls. Start moving pieces now like Carle, Colburn, Lilja, Gus. Get a mean SOB crease clearing D Beast for the Pronger money. Even if Pronger comes back, you get a washed up 37 year old with a bad pumpikin head and a financial lead anchor. Pronger was arguably the second greatest D man after Off, very diffent styles, but The Alpha make D Beast. But, time to move on. Tell him to retre and Comcast take the insurance money. Goalie? This is on Holmgren. This was his defining off season moment. Maybe with a D in front of him Bryz would look better. Let's see if the Flyer Homerism gets a back seat to Comcast greed here. Got to sell the seats and merchandise. Flyers Hockey is Big Business.

Nothing is out of line with me. His wife needs to get her Xhit together. Kid looks like a future axe murderer to me. Explains a lot about the absentee father

He has food poisoning from eating that dog of his you saw in 24/7. Love his kids. A lot of supervision there.

Like your dog. Flyers are not going anywhere this year. Bear says you can take it to the bank.