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7 minutes ago, IllaZilla said:
Based on Fenton’s other moves, it seems like he just does stuff to do it. So it makes perfect sense to move Zucker because hockey.
Ouch! The plus side to this is the next GM should have high draft picks, because this team will be bad.
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I just don’t understand the need to move Zucker.
If a good offer is made sure.
If you can get younger, faster, cheaper sure.
But it seems fenton wants to move him just to get rid of him, and I just don’t see why.
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3 hours ago, IllaZilla said:
Kind of wonder when the team culture went south and what caused it. Was it always bad? Did it start going bad towards the end of the Naegle ownership? Did it start with the Leipold ownership? With the Parise/Suter signings? Something else?
I often wondered if there wasn’t something more behind wes walzes sudden retirement.
The way that went always seemed odd to me.
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New contract, new baby, new lineup, a lot of change going on.
If you take all of the goal posts and crossbars he hit last year and think that even 1/3 rd would go in he would have close to 10 more goals.
I’m not sure I would give up on him yet.
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I can’t figure out why the wild are so hot to move zucker, and I’m fine if they do. However they had better get good return for him and whoever they get had better be under 30 years old.
This team needs to get younger because it is a long way from being a true contender.
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I’m trying to find radio coverage for the series as I will be on the road.
I have both teams in the finals for our family pool with Boston winning.
Watching St. Louis has me questioning my pick.
Big. balanced offense/defense.
Balanced scoreing.
Finally a dependable goalie.
Boston similar. More proven goalie.
Gonna be a great series.
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Can anyone explain why Williams isn’t getting a game for elbowing to the head in last nights game.
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13 minutes ago, ClusterChuck said:
If I was going to guess, I'd say Greenway thinks he's proven himself with the big club last season and is insulted he had to go back to Iowa and is pouting a bit. Doesn't understand a little playoff mode action wouldn't hurt his development.
Then yes that is a character issue.
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I'm afraid I'll a is right.
I was hoping Fenton would realize that the wild would be better off with Staal as the 3c, koivu as the 4c and Rask packaged with a draft pick to move up in the draft.
Oh to be a dreamer.
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Well let's all hope Fenton learned from Fletcher's mistake and doesn't repeat it with Seattle.
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It still comes down to 2 players to protect 1.
If that was the price, I would have been looking to keep Haula because the wild has always been short at center.
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1 minute ago, Fargocase said:
Haula wasn't traded for anything. The price to protect other Wild players was Tuch. Haula was going to be gone regardless. Tuch was the value, Haula was essentially a throw in.
That was my point! Idiot flefcher thought so much of Dumba that he was willing to give up 2 players rather than put Dumba on the protected list.
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8 minutes ago, IllaZilla said:
Here is the protected list Fletcher submitted:
Forwards: Charlie Coyle, Mikael Granlund, Mikko Koivu, Nino Niederreiter, Zach Parise, Jason Pominville, Jason Zucker
Defensemen: Jonas Brodin, Jared Spurgeon, Ryan Suter
Goaltenders: Devan Dubnyk
AVAILABLE PLAYERS
Forwards: Brady Brassart, Patrick Cannone, Ryan Carter, Kurtis Gabriel, Martin Hanzal, Erik Haula, Zack Mitchell, Jordan Schroeder, Eric Staal, Chris Stewart, Ryan White.
Defensemen: Victor Bartley, Matt Dumba, Christian Folin, Guillaume Gelinas, Alexander Gudbranson, Gustav Olofsson, Nate Prosser, Marco Scandella, Mike Weber.
Goaltenders: Johan Gustafsson, Darcy Kuemper, Alex Stalock.
He could have protected Dumba instead of Brodin and NOT given up Tuch. Tuch was not eligible for selection since he was only a first year professional. He was traded to Vegas so Vegas would not select Dumba.
I would have protected Dumba, exposed Brodin, and not traded Tuch.
Without any 20/20 hindsight.
So Haula was traded for what?
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They probably would have been better off protecting who they could and see what happens. Instead we lose two players not one.
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With the expansion draft coming up at what point do you worry about service time exposing minor Leaguers to Seattle?
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IMO they can take Rask, Aberg,Bitteto, Brown, Prosser and any other dead weight on the team and package them with draft picks to move up in the draft or add draft picks for the next 2 years.
Go forward with the players we can’t move. Keep Pateryn, Fehr, Foligno.
Give guys like Donato, Fiala and our young draft picks quality minutes.
If they can get a great deal on Spurgeon, Brodin and Zucker take it but don’t give them away.
Fill in the open spots with what we have in the system.
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On 4/13/2019 at 8:18 AM, IllaZilla said:
Bitetto was brought in because Fenton wanted the team to get younger. Fenton was familiar with Bitetto from his time in Nashville, so that's why he nabbed him off the waiver wire and sent Prosser packing to Iowa.
Same with Aberg. Fenton was familiar with him. He was supposed to be fast and could score goals. Brown was brought in to be a grinder on the fourth line and nothing more. I think the Wild have far bigger problems than addressing a fourth liner that made a bad decision off the ice.
Like a lot of players, Rask cashed in on the final year (2015-16) of his entry level contract by having a career year (for him, a 48 point season). Zucker did the same thing. Scores 30 goals in the last year of his contract. There are a lot of players that have career years in the last year of a contract that tend to boost their value. After signing the big contract, those same players struggle the following season trying to live up to their new deal. Some players recover and have good to great second seasons. Others continue to circle the drain. I'm hoping Zucker recovers and returns to his scoring ways, but I think he may end up doing that on another team. Rumor is that Fenton is intent on moving him before his mNTC kicks in July 1.
Another factor is the availability of players at that position. Mikko Koivu benefitted from this. The years he was due to be a UFA, the potential UFA market was very thin on centers. He was able to capitalize on that.
And this is what bothers me about fenton.
Familiar with Bitteto. Who would you rather see on the ice, Bitteto or Prosser? While Prosser isn’t great, I would rather see him on the ice over Bitteto.
Aberg is supposed to be able to score. Well We didn’t see a whole lot of that did we.
Brown as a grinder? How much grinding can 160 lbs do?
Rask cashed in on 1 year of productivity? Maybe? Even though I thought they should move Nino I still think we should have gotten more for him.
His talent assessment had better improve or it will be a long rebuild.
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If Fenton can't see that there was a reason bitteto was on the waiver wire this team is in a lot more trouble than just being saddled with Fletcher's bad contracts.
Bitteto, Aberg, Brown and even Rask just don't have it.
There was a reason they were all available and all cheap.
How guys like Rask and Tyler Ennis get contracts like they do is amazing.
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So right now on this team we are stuck with Parise, Suter, Koivu having ntc.
I believe Spurgeon and Zucker have modified nmc.
With that in mind, which 6 players would you like to see move on.
The reason I chose 6 is I just don't think they can turn over more than that.
For me personally, if I never see a JT Brown, Bitteto, Aberg in a wild sweater that'll be ok.
Other than Matt Dumba anyone and everyone are open for trade as long as we get fair trade in return.
What we need are more right handed forwards and true #1C and some prospects that could become 1c
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I’m going to agree with Dave on the fact that the injuries this year really exposed the lack of depth on this team. The summer signings didn’t help matters. Did Fenton really expect to get much out of JT Brown or was he just a “ one of us” signing who stuck around because of his right hand shot. When Nino couldn’t buy a goal if he wanted really exposed the lack of scoring.
I do think fenton overreacted with the trades he made. Seems like he made trades the sake of making a trade, which usually never works out.
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My question would be does that explain why his play never accomplished anything.
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That Suter, Parise and Staal actually don't want to lead this team is part of the problem.
The leadership that this team needs isn't who logs the most ice time, scores the most goals or hustles the most.
It is also not about playing with an injury.
It should be about sacrificing your own personal goals and playing for your linemates.
Doing the ugly stuff that wins games. Helping your teammates not give up when the going gets tough.
Right now I the only one I see doing any of that is Foligno.
Staal used to do that but seems to have stopped and he admitted he didn't want to captain again.
How they solve this mess is a Mistry.
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I often wondered if the rise of Mikko didn't have an influence on wes walz resigning.
I have heard "stories" of the unrest in the wild locker room, and wished I could hear from some of the players that came and went, about what went on there.
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EJ you're right about a few things.
If they won't let Bruce coach the way he wants they should do him a favor and let him go.
The youth movement needs to start now.
They need to identify the players that are not part of the future and trade them to upgrade their draft position.
They will need to be careful about leaving quality players exposed to the expansion draft. Perhaps get parise and Suter to waive their no trade clause. Who would want that contract anyway?
One thing I think you are wrong about is the no game changer/ scorer.
I think Dumba is the best thing this team has for the future.
I think he will become a Brent Burns type player.
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Come on Illa, I was trying to see the bright side of a bad situation.