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21 minutes ago, radoran said:

Then I see a team looking to "build" around three (four) guys who were "big parts" of the group that oversaw the (alleged and apparent) complete and total vivisection of team culture for the past ten years.

which one's?

I see the core group as Konecny, Farabee, Sanhiem, York, maybe Tippett and Foerster and sadly Couturier. 

If 14 can return to 80% of his Selke self, that's not a bad player- but I don't view him as the epicenter of the team anymore, I think that gravity has shifted towards #11.

I think that's a pretty decent group of players to add additional good to very good players with the next couple years of multiple first picks and a ZOMG talent.

No young guys are getting shipped out, a 5th round pick was traded away, that's not going to change the course of the franchise if we're being honest. 

I think this group of Konecny and younger players is a pretty good base to start building onto. 

It is an interesting time to be a fan of this team. 

It's been fun seeing everyone's perspectives. 

I said in the chat that's for a year longer than I'd have preferred. 

The full no trade clause is for the first 2 years, and he's not a bargain anymore.

He's going to be the 7th guy soon, he'll be fine in that role and I don't think his .aav will be crippling.

not wild about that 4th year though. In two years that's a tradeable contract. 

If he continues to be a guy Torts points to as an example for how to compete and be a teammate and if the lessons are learned by the talented youngsters, it might not be the worst thing. Dude wanted to be a Flyer, right or wrong I know that goes a long way with the Danny Jonesy. 

1 minute ago, flyercanuck said:

I know it's only a 5th, but the more picks you have the better chance of catching lightning in a bottle.

what's the quote about everything that comes after the but?

Seems like maybe more things are going to be happening.

Even if it's nothing- one year where the team is going to be non-competitive with Floaty Johanson on the roster isn't going to kill anyone. 

If they resign him...Then I'll join the mutiny.

The maths of the waivers makes me wonder if something else is happening.

50 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

DGAF it's a rebuild trade the goddamn UFAs for assets towards the rebuild.

 

Oh that's right it's not a rebuild it's just another lie...

Your commitment to being angry about this is admirable. 

Just now, OccamsRazor said:

Attard already been up last 2 games zero minutes played a colossal f uck this organization is.

Or.... or is it, Attard isn't an NHL defenseman, there is a reason he didn't make the team out of camp and wasn't a call up before now. Same with Ginning. 

You feeling me?

This is not the criteria I'm going to use to determine the organization is fukced up. YMMV

36 minutes ago, Lindbergh31 said:

Well said, either Briere and Jones are committed to a rebuild which they trade Walker, Seeler, and Laughton and even possibly Konecny at the deadline or they're full of ****. We'll see.

This reads as pretty black and white, giving an out to those living in "they're all full of sh!t" land. It's not realistic in any timeline. 

Based on what I've heard in interviews, to trade Scott Laughton the deal needs to be stupidly in the Flyers favor.

I'm not counting on that.

Walker is found money and should be traded for a maximum return if possible. If he remains, questions will need to be asked about just what the hell is the plan? He's the guy that will bring back the best return. He is the guy to sell high on if ever there was one.

Seeler, what's a #7 worth? a 3rd? Does that move the needle as a sweetener in a trade? Does a 3rd pick make the NHL? Where is his value?

The ideas floated where he and Walker get traded together iare intriguing and I'd love to see it. Especially if a top 6 forward prospect and a first are the return. Will that happen? I hope so, but will it?

Seeler should be cheap @ 2.7 aav for 3 years? something in that range. That's not killing anything with the cap going up. As long as they don't give him Andrew MacDonald money or term, I think it will be fine

He is the coach's pet, Jonesy loves him. They think Seeler's effect on the younger guys in the room is profound and they want to keep him around as an example of the way they want these young guys to go about being a pro. 

If there are plans to try to move the rejuvenated Ristolainen around the draft or F/A, I think I would be satisfied by the direction of the club. 

3 hours ago, radoran said:

Have you met Rasmus "signed for $5.1m per for three more seasons at age 30" Ristolainen?

 

#fletched

Right, some where in here I said I'm okay with 2 older dudes , that's counting Sanhiem as an old dude.

If one of the unholy trent-ity remains I'm not burning the sweet sweatshirt Mrs Mojo bought for me.

I won't be happy if after the draft and free agency more than one of Risto,  Walker and Seeler remain.

RE: draft picks...I never think of the Flyers using picks in trades well. It's been here's a 2nd rounder for this roster player we don't need anything back. 

The point you made regarding picks is well taken and something l didn't consider. 

@radoran

I don't mind having another "senior" player in the d-corps to go with Sanhiem. I would mind 2 guys over 30 signed to anything over 2 or 3 years. 

I wonder too who the FO would target in free agency ? 

I don't think this group wants to build through the draft exclusively, so which guys would fit their plan in the coming years. 

Couple of questions for anyone.

What would be considered a good deal for Sean Walker what would be acceptable? - so two answers for that one.

Now apply that question for Nick Seeler.

Also,  provided a deal is being worked on to trade Ristolainen in the off-season and is realized, which of the two would be the least troubling in your opinion to keep around?

I continue to think both UFA players should be sold "high", but is there an offer too low to be considered?

Is the team better off with 2nd and 3rd round picks ? If those are the offers? 

Also while i do admire the team's loyalty to Scott Laughton. The guy has made himself into a valued NHL player. He has stepped into a leadership void since the coaching change, what is the offer that breaks the spell?

Everyone seems worried that nothing happens at the TDL, what needs to happen to assuage the fear that we're looking at same old same old?

Kid's shot is legit.

How about them wheels on the breakaway?.

Woo-hoo 

Like I said,  I like this young fella's game. 

6 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

Got to admit you lost me on this one, you and @BobbyClarkeFan16 both. You’re saying the managers are pretending to the players that there’s no rebuild happening? 
 

Appeasing the fans is one thing. Rebuild retool whatever who cares it’s the actions that matter. But you guys think management is deceiving the players about their intentions this year, and their plans going forward?

 

I’m sure I’m reading you wrong but I really don’t get it.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make.

The players are playing to win. They aren't waiting for some boy to save them.

The attitude I've seen seems to say they think they're good enough. I think Jonesy remembers that from his playing days.

I think that's what he's saying. I don't think he's lying to anyone about anything.

Now, he could be withholding information. I don't view that as the same.

3 hours ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Even Jones admitted that the rebuild statement was for the fans, but in the locker room, he said the rebuild was BS. Enough said.

I don't see where the lie is. 

Of course in the locker room of a professional hockey club the idea of go out and lose or don't get hurt is a non- starter. 

Also if I'm an NHL player I'm not hoping some boy is going to come along and save the team. 

 My attitude would be **** the rebuild also. 

I seriously don't think the front office shares the view with the players. 

I've never been a Jack Edwards fan, going all the back to when he was on ESPN. 
He is an "awesome" homer announcer. That said.

Is he okay?

He sounds like late-stage Harry Karry on this broadcast.

Does he have health concerns? I don't want to make too much fun of him because he sounds really ****** drunk.

On 2/28/2024 at 11:29 AM, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I don't think Tyson's skating issues are as bad as everyone claims they are.

I don't think so either, he's never going to be Samu Tuoamaala but he's smart enough to find space and skates well enough to get there.

I like how strong he is on the puck and what a good forechecker he is. 

I heard on PHLY there are a number of free-agent POW goalies hitting the UFA market this year. 

That's where I'd try to find a backup, I sure as hell wouldn't spend any sort of asset to get a guy now. 

I like Ersson, he's got that dawg in him, he's not a flake. I love how competitive he is.

I think he's the #1, finding a dude like David Riitch or Ilya Samsonov for 15 starts a year until an in-house option becomes viable is the way I'd go. 

4 hours ago, Howie58 said:

It is oldie and not-so-goodie.  I think the question becomes whether they use a buyout on Petersen? 

I would continue to bury him in the A. 

As the Russian goalies come over...just continue to Milton him into the basement and take his swingline stapler.

No one would claim him off waivers.

I'd keep the buyout for Atkinson maybe.

1 minute ago, Lunatic said:

Unfortunately the teams offering reported first and/or second round picks are the top 5 or 6 teams this year,

Do you change the ask for a top prospect and a 2nd or 3rd then?

I think that's how I would direct offers from those top tier teams that need an elite penalty killer.

I would like to see the boys sell high on some of these guys for a change. 

I have enjoyed this thread, seeing everyone's thoughts about what they'd like to see the Flyers do. 

It's been pretty fun.

5 minutes ago, RonJeremy said:

If someone is offering a second round pick, then I’d trade him,

Realistically, does that 2nd rounder have a chance to help the team in the next 5 years ? 

I think this is the math that's being calculated as we speak.

Seeler helps to create culture and can play a little. 

I can see the point of those who think a 2nd is beyond fair value based on league history, a 2nd for a 5-7D  is "good value". Is it good value to the Flyers though?

I think ditching either one for less than what Jonesy and Danny think is fair is not worth it. Seeler especially, is cheap, he'll gladly become the 7th if there are better guys for the first 6, and he'll do whatever to help the team. That's his jam, I value it.

Walker has been a set him and forget him 2nd pair guy. He's a smart player . Those guys don't grow on trees, is there a second pair set him and forget him guy in the system? does a 2nd pick grow into a valued piece of the team or a top 4 guy?

I don't know man. I'm glad it's not my job to make these value determinations. 

I can see all sides of the argument. 

I think if the offer for either isn't what will help the team, then keeping them until later for a sign and trade or just as a few years bridge to let young guys develop isn't the worst thing to happen. 

I cannot argue against the team needing more high-end skill.

I see more than a few teams drafting top 5 and never making it count. The team is too depleted of players who've won or have been moderately successful pros and it's a lord of the flies situation.... How is the value determined as to which is more of a priority?

It's not easy.

On 2/25/2024 at 9:10 PM, SCFlyguy said:

Should have traded Coots when we had the chance.

I can't really beat anyone up over this.

That kind of hindsight, while devastatingly accurate 4 years and two back surgeries later just wasn't in anyone's awareness at the time.

His last healthy season before this one, he was a Selke winner, even though there are hard miles on him his game is such that he can age gracefully. No one was thinking he was a guy to be moved. 

6 minutes ago, RonJeremy said:

I can easily see him returning back from a second pair guy to a #7. I

I hope he gets pushed to a #7.  I think there's a difference. 

I thought Cam York played pretty well offensively today.  I thought he was pretty good in his zone too. If some of these young guys with upside can break into the lineup because they're better and this version of Seeler becomes your #7... **** I'll take that all day.  I do like what he brings to the table and I do respect his determination.  There are worse things than having that guy in the organization. 

like I said in the Pens game thread, this group has made me feel some pride about being a Flyers fan again and I'm good with it. Nick Seeler and his **** all do whatever is asked attitude is part of the reason. He's exhibit A for fighting for every inch of everything. 

Crosby with another great day vs the Flyers.

Of course had the emergency goalie played maybe he only has a 3 point game.

This group (the Flyers) has me proud to wear my logo gear again.  I'm good if the management decides to sell off some guys and improve their draft position.

This team's roster isn't winning a cup, will never, win the cup. Time to make some moves toward that ultimate goal IMO.

I think this weekend should be instrumental toward taking advantage of the available assets. 

I shut Drysdale down. Let him heal, start fresh in 2024/25. I trade all the UFA defensemen. 

I healthy scratch Cam Atkinson for the rest of the season. 

I give extended looks to Ginning, for you @BobbyClarkeFan16 Attard and Andrae.

If someone wants to get crazy to acquire Scott Laughton, then okay. I know Jonesy in particular loves him and stated it would need to be an overpay because he feels indebted to Scott's leadership the last two years. 

Should the Kuch-show come to town and light the boys up then it's time to Sell Mortimer, SELL!