clothehsnager13

Bobby Ryan (Cherry Hill, NJ native) was supposedly a huge flyers fan growing up. I'd love to see him in orange and black. Assuming Anaheim is still in a bit of panic mode after last season, maybe now would be the cheapest time to get him.

It's all good, nobody would be offended by a picture change.

Let's start over, hi I'm sarsippius and overreact sometimes and I hate frosted flakes

Haha, hello sarsippius, im Trevor AKA clotheshanger13, I tend to talk to much about jeff carter and the flyers even though i live in santa cruz. i write a mildly crappy blog here on the site and im more of a lucky charms fan myself.

@clothehsnager13

"So think twice before you go judging me based on location because I've seen almost every NHL game he's ever played in"

Well, that's the first I've ever heard of a person whose favorite team is the Kings, yet watched every Flyers game for the last 5 years. But hey this the internet so we can all be who we want to be. And no offense, but the judging was done by the person who made this condescending, smug-a$$ statement:

"totally changing my member picture to one of carter raising the cup when it happens, so that all the haters have to see it. Unwarranted hatred, consistent numbers every year. its never one guy that makes a team bad, and the flyers were never even a bad team when he was in philly."

What kind of a reaction do you expect to that? You must know that claiming you're going to "punish" people whose opinion you don't share is a bit childish? Almost as childish as me taking the time to respond to it...... For the record nobody said the Flyers lack of a Cup was Carter's fault, so I think your judgement on the "haters" is incorrect. I think the prevailing thought here is that for 5 years he was a floater who played soft when it counted....as when it didn't count to be quite honest.

Peace

Gotta lighten up a bit. I wasn't intending for anyone to take my comment so strongly to heart. I don't try to be anything but good natured on here and if I thought for a second that anyone would actually be so offended at a potential picture change, I wouldn't have done it. If you would like I'll take the comment down, you need only to ask.

@clothehsnager13

Just to be clear: are you an ex-Flyer fan turned Kings fan? Or just a fan of Frosted Tips?

I've always been a fan of both teams, more so a flyers fan and then slowly forming into a passionate kings fans due to personel and style of play. As for the frosted tips, ill agree with sarsippius and say that I can't back any soggy cereal but the only one who has ever successfully pulled off frosted tips is charley conway himself: http://www.josh-jackson.net/images/albums/Magazines/2000/TV%20GUIDE_04-00/02.jpg

@clothehsnager13

Carter did not lead the league in hat tricks this year, and even if he did so what?

http://www.nhl.com/i...me=gameMinimums

As a self proclaimed Kings fan living in CA, did you actually see Carter play as a Flyer enough to judge Flyer fans' general distaste for his game? Spinorama and Podein 25 and others summed it up pretty well on this thread. Notice nobody here ragging on the other ex-Flyers playing for your team, maybe there's a reason for that, hmmm?

In 47 playoff games as a Flyer, he had 2, count 'em 2, game winning goals. His playoff stats were far below his regular season numbers. His playoff +/- was on the south side of even every year, save for 2008....when it was exactly even. What does this mean? He shrunk from pressure every year.

http://flyers.nhl.co....htm?id=8470604

First off, I apologize for the "wrong" hat trick stat. ESPN fantasy has him listed with 4, which im guessing is including his hat trick from the post season. Maybe their stats are incorrect but it was just something random I noticed last night that I thought was cool. My apologies if me posting that made you angry in some way.

To answer you question: Yes. I've never missed an opportunity to see the Flyers live when they are in town. It's rare that they are in town since they play San Jose maybe once a season but even as a broke ass college student I've shelled out tons of cash to go see them at the highly over priced and over rated shark tank every year. Beyond that, I haven't missed a Flyers game since '07 so throw that on the cash pile for year after year prices on Gamecenter Live and Center Ice. So think twice before you go judging me based on location because I've seen almost every NHL game he's ever played in. I do what I can.

Yeah, nobody is really ragging on Gagne and Richards for their post season scoring but not everyone is a playoff stud. Based on his stats from this year, which are good but not great, it could mean any number of things for his playoff stuggles in Philly. Maybe it was too much pressure, maybe he was injured, maybe he was drunk, maybe a psychic told him the ghost of Rocket Richard would cut off his head if he scored too many playoff goals. I don't really care. You can't continuously use one guy as a scapegoat for not having post season success. Nobody ever said having Jeff Carter will guarantee you a cup. The Kings know that, the Flyers knew that, and because the Blue Jackets were delusional they DIDNT know that.

I'm not ecstatic that Carter didn't score at will for the Flyers in the playoffs but I am ecstatic that my favorite Flyers who got **** deal's from the Flyers organization are on the brink of winning the cup with another team that I love to watch. Would I have preferred them to win it with the Flyers? sure. But we'll never know if that was a possibility because of flighty management.

Everything has been said about this issue so I'm not going to get into an argument here just to bring it all up again. I just wanted to express my happiness about the Kings winning the cup. Sorry if I somehow offended you with my original post.

totally changing my member picture to one of carter raising the cup when it happens, so that all the haters have to see it. Unwarranted hatred, consistent numbers every year. its never one guy that makes a team bad, and the flyers were never even a bad team when he was in philly.

another random awesome carter stat: played 55 regular season games this year: lead the league in hat tricks...

I love it, to be honest. I think it was an impulse move by Holmgren in the first place. I love the Flyers and their a great team, especially moving forward but I think that throwing away a potential future that they had already claimed to have committed to doesn't warrant an instant Stanley Cup. Regardless, the Flyers are going to be a force in the future, however the cup deservedly goes to the team with three ex-flyers who got a **** deal in Carts, Richie and Gagne. Those three guys were instrumental in the 2010 run and the building success since they flyers showed up in last place in 07. They deserved the championship in 2010, and this is retribution for giving up on them just a year later. The Flyers will always be my team, but I'm makin' the trip to LA for the parade if/when they win this thing.

The Kings will be allowed to issue a few exceptions to have names engraved on the cup, just as many teams have done in the past. Konstantinov is one of the more famous examples of the petition process, however, more recent examples include Mike Zigomanis for Pitt in 08-09, Derek Meech for Detroit in 07-08, Darren Rumble and Stan Neckar in 03-04 for Tampa, and Brian Muir in 00-01 for Colorado. I think Gagne will be a prime candidate for name engraving what with the substantial career he has had. I think it would be a travesty not to include it if they win.

Fatigue is fatigue, he's still one of the best defensemen in the league. He finished 14th among defensemen in scoring with 34 assists and was a shut down guy all year, playing some of his best hockey at age 37. It would be a travesty for him to retire. I think with the depth that the flyers went out and got this year with Kubina and Grossman is perfect for Kimmo who may be showing his age but is well known for playing through injury due to his importance to this team. He may have been unfortunately gassed and injury ridden this post season but the flyers would be absolutely ridiculous to encourage retirement from Kimmo after all the hard work, effort and heart he has put into this team in his 5 seasons as a Flyer. Other than him being overworked and playing injured, he has shown no signs of his age. Also, the pass back to the goalie is something I've seen him do countless times as a Flyer. Bryz was at fault for that, not Kimmo. Bryz played great that game as well and it's too bad that one stupid mistake cost him and the flyers the series but thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

I don't think either team will regret this trade in the long run. It was balanced at the time and balanced now as well. It will be debated for the next 5 seasons, but I dont think it will make a huge negative difference for either team.

just read a tweet saying that csnphilly.com will be airing it live on their site.

I would have thought that CBJ would have have already known that Carter wasn't the player they needed for Nash. But somehow they looked over the minor detail that Jeff is a shoot first center that doesn't make the other players around him better. Add to that he disappears for games at a time.

CBJ brass got a taste of the real Carter right after the trade when they had to go to the Jersey shore to convince him it was going to be okay in Columbus.

There can't be one team left in the NHL that would be willing to take this guy at full value. I think you are right that CBJ are going to have to take a hit but I think it's going to be a pretty decent hit.

Voracek (1st Rd), 8th in Couturier and a third was a lot to give up for Carter.

As for the Kings being a good fit for Carter.... why would the Kings want to reunite two party boys that caused a huge divide in a locker room & were known for their drinking/partying? They can't think that it's not going to revert back to that if they were reunited. I think the Kings would be taking a big step backwards if they were to deal for Carter.

Better to have Carter disappear for games at a time then penner, stoll, and richardson disappear for months at a time.

As for Carter's attitude, I'd be pretty devistated if I took a pay cut to essentially play the rest of my career in Philly just to be traded out of the blue to the worst team in the league. He got over it, he hasn't complained to the media, or requested a trade which is a lot more than others would do.

The locker room problems, which started with the media, and was then brought to the locker room through their intervention, was over analyzed and more of a shot in the dark than anything. The real problem then stemmed from the inclusion of Chris Pronger, who should have been the captain and not richards, and the owenership jumping the gun in making him captain. That plus the subsequent firing of John Stevens during only a 5 game losing streak (the team was still over .500 and not given a fair chance to get things moving in the right direction) was the reason for the Richards and Carter attitude problem. Never the less, I believe it was still the Flyers who made it to the Cup Finals that year with Carter and Richards still being the regular season points leaders for the team and combined for 35 points in 35 games played between the two of them in that years post season.

But hey, who wants that? Maybe the Kings will take a step forward if they resign Penner instead...

WOW! I read most of that!

I wonder what pieces would have to go back to CBJ for them to get Carter. Reports are that they have only had one offer and it was very low.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ended up in LA with his buddy. Time to bake a cake Johnny!!

Thanks for the response OZ. I call a piece of that cake!

Seems like the Blue Jackets are looking for a high price in return for Carter since they gave up a lot for him, but they'll probably take a little bit of a loss, and rightfully so for shopping him so quickly after the trade. They could use help in almost every category but in any situation they're probably looking for a package similar to what they gave up. The kings have the expendables to make it happen though.

A history of the last 5 seasons of the Philadelphia Flyers and Why Jeff Carter is the perfect fit for the LA Kings

by: Trevor Rocco

The L.A. Kings are looking for scoring, that is a given. The Kings have been consistently in the bottom of NHL team scoring for quite a few seasons now. To their defense, they have one of the best defense (no pun intended) core and goaltending core in the league which have kept them in the playoff hunt for the last two or three seasons.

A lot has been said about Jeff Carter and the Columbus Blue Jackets recently. As the worst team in the league, the Blue Jackets are struggling in every department and are a team far off from the playoff potential of 2009.

The Kings are looking for scoring, Carter can score. Those are the givens, but a lot is being said about Carter’s attitude, locker room presence and consistent play. Kings fans, and a lot people around the league are skeptics, but I, however, am not. For me to explain why Carter’s supposedly cancerous locker room attitude and other potential problems are overly media hyped, were going to need to backtrack a little bit.

In 2005, after his team (The OHL’s Greyhounds) were eliminated from playoff contention, Carter joined the Philadelphia Phantoms for 21 playoff games, where he recorded 23 points and helped the team to a Calder Cup (Mike Richards was also on this team, recording 15 points in his 14 games). The following season both Carter and Richards made the Flyers out of training camp. At the same time, John Stevens, the model of consistency for the phantoms coaching staff (4 playoff appearances and 1 calder cup in his 5 years) was promoted to head coach of the team. The two players were a bright spot on an otherwise horrendous season for the Flyers. However, the following season the Flyers would be a huge surprise in reaching the conference finals under John Stevens coaching styles, as Richards and Carter became a model of consistency. With this came contract extensions and a captaincy for Richards as it looked like the future of the Flyers had arrived. For a while, things were great. Although they were eliminated from the playoffs early, the next season, Carter recorded 84 points including a whopping 46 goals. Carter and Richards were 1 and 2 in team scoring and Stevens was thought to be in contention for coach of the year after an amazing bounce back from 2006.

Enter Chris Pronger. In an attempt to add defensive depth, Chris Pronger was brought in the next season in a blockbuster trade that sent young forward Joffrey Lupul back to Anaheim in return. The team looked as if it was the heavy favorite for a cup winning season.

However, any time a team with a very young captain adds someone with the experience and leadership that Chris Pronger brings to a locker room there is a setup for trouble. At this point the media had begun to spin stories of Richards, Carter, Lupul and Umberger (the flyers youth core) in a negative way, saying that they had too much of a party life style. Richards went on record to say that the media had spun these stories negatively and were reading into things that weren’t there (This isn’t a Dennis Rodman/Kobe Bryant/Tiger Woods sized problem, obviously whatever lifestyle they were living did not interfere with career years and a captaincy for Richards, as well as the coaching staff having no complains). Up until this point the entirety of both Richards and Carter’s careers were coached by John Stevens. They knew his system and were obviously succeeding in it, however, Mike Richards lead-by-example leadership and his young age were not going to mesh well with noted outspoken media dynamo and born leader in Chris Pronger.

When the 2009-2010 season started off slow for the flyers (13-11-1) it was obvious that a problem of leadership was the reasoning. The media pounced and once again tried to attribute blame to Carter and Richards lifestyle outside of the rink. It seemed however, that their were two different styles meshing here. That is the wanted direction of the ownership to win now through veteran leadership (ie Chris Pronger) and the player favorite, quiet winning style of John Steven and Mike Richards. Unfortunately, the GM’s hold all the power in a situation where changes may be in need for a struggling team, and after a hard fought but troublesome 5 game loosing streak, the past successes of John Stevens were no longer impressive to the big guys upstairs as he was let go for the likes of Peter Laviolette. The team struggled mightily under Laviolette at first both as a result of learning a new system and the devastation of the teammates in the loss of the leader who helped them go from the bottom of the league to top contenders. Richards and Carter were among those most heavily affected due to their long history with Stevens. However, things picked up under Laviolette as Carter and Richards helped to turn the season around as the Flyers ended up on the doorstep of a championship, showing the coaches, management and organization that they cared and would do whatever they could to help the team and organization succeed.

However the management would prove that they didn’t feel the same way about them. The 2010-2011 season would see the flyers miss best-in-the-east by just 1 point. An injury saw Carter miss the majority of the playoffs and with Richards not matching the point per game pace of Briere and Giroux, the Flyers took an early exit. After all the effort and success from the young core of the Flyers over the past 5 years, by the summer of 2011, everyone was gone. Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were the last dominoes to drop from a youthful roster that was the talk of the NHL just a few years before (ie Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, R.J. Umberger, Joffrey Lupul, Scottie Upshall, Joni Pitkanen, Dennis Seidenberg, Patrick Sharp, Antero Niittymaki and of course John Stevens [most of which were members of the 04-05 calder champs]). A combined 23-year $117 million contract extension in their early careers were traded away within hours of each other when Carter went to Columbus and Richards to LA.

Within a MATTER OF HOURS two consistently amazing players who believed that their next TEN YEARS would be spent with the Flyers organization a team that is known consistently as winners (partially because of their factors in the organization), and where they had spent their first six successful years together, would be shipped out.

No surprise, at least from my point of view, that Jeff Carter would refuse to speak to the media for the following weeks.

Jeff Carter saw his contract transferred to the Columbus Blue Jackets, a team whose future was in question and were attempting to make a big splash before next season. It was a failure. With the additions of Carter and Wisneiwski the question around the league was, would it be enough? And with major injuries and underperformance the Blue Jackets would find themselves at the bottom of the league, by a lot, just before the trade deadline. Unfortunately, things couldn’t or can’t be much worse for Jeff Carter.

On the flip side Richards was sent to the LA Kings who, with off season moves and signings, were looking for a last bump to put them into the pacific division and western conference elite. His season too, has been plagued by injury and lack of consistency with the new club. His season however is still salvageable on a team that could use a change or some help up front.

And thus we have a perfect storm. The LA Kings are scrambling to plug the holes in the sinking ship that can be helped. The Blue Jackets are swimming in the ocean looking for a new boat. The storm is coming on the open seas and in a perfect world, the LA Kings would see Jeff Carter swimming alone in the ocean and send out a life preserver. With successful moves the LA Kings can have their positives from the last few seasons success and add to it the success and potential that the Flyers once had. The Kings have the opportunity right now, to reunite what was once successful in Philly: Carter, Richards and John Steven (currently assistant coach).

Carter and Richards have played successfully together (692 points in 914 games played for the Flyers alone), and their most successful under John Stevens. I argue that their is no reason to attribute any validity to locker room issues, attitudes and inconsistencies for Carter as management issues were the real problem. Some say his cap hit is too large and its length, until 2022, is too long, but for LA, even the potential of having a 60+ point/30+ goal scorer is well worth the 5.27 million they take on with his contract. Heres what happens with Jeff Carter for the rest of this season if he signs with LA: he can have the ability to move from the worst team in the league to a playoff contender, to reunite with his team mate and coach with whom he was most comfortable and successful, and to prove to the team that abandoned him that they made the wrong choice. In this perfect scenario, the former 40 goal scorer will be more motivated and excited to play than he ever has in his career.

LA Kings organization, it’s your move.