NoSlackDelta

why are people still talking about trading Giroux? You guys understand how absolutely stupid trading him would be, right?

Anyone who was actually embarrassed by the boos and has a strong opinion on it really, REALLY needs to lighten the **** up.

Maybe this would be a good time to see what Giroux is worth?

From todays camp - 

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac  5m

Eventually, a forward is going to get pissed at Sam Morin. He's throwing guys around in battle drills like ragdolls.

Quite frankly, it won't surprise me if both Capitals' signings turn out to be tragic mistakes.

 

Just because some damn fool was going probably going to overpay, doesn't make the MacDonald move a good one. Your point about it being a weak crop of Dmen is also well taken, but that doesn't mean it was absolutely necessary to sign a guy in a "weak crop" to a six year deal. The at least $500-750K that he is likely overpaid can mean a lot in terms of callups and cap flexibility, especially for a team as frequently near the ceiling as the Flyers.

 

If you want a direct apples-to-apples comparison, look at what Kris Russell just signed for in Calgary - 27 years old, UFA, third in the league in shot blocks, four career 20+ point seasons, 29 points in 68 games last season with 12 on the power play, -11 - $2.6M per for two years.

 

MacDonald - 28 years old, UFA, first in the league in shot blocks (+41 on Russell), two career 20+ point seasons, 28 points in 82 games last season with 11 on the power play, -22 - $5M per for six years.

 

We'll see how it plays out for both teams over the long haul. I, for one, expect #greatthings from MacDonald.

 

What's bad for the league IMO is the overall general salary inflation that these moves are putting into place. Guys who really, at 28, have effectively done very little are being handed $5M, six year contracts.

 

I don't like that - from a salary cap perspective above and beyond "The Flyers", especially given that we've lost a season an a half of hockey this century to establish "fiscal stability" in the game.

 

YMMV.

Length of contract I'll concede, a bit long...but the money isnt much different that what he would have received as an FA.  You cant look at it in a vaccuum, it has to be viewed through the lens of what was available on the market this year, whether you like it or not.

Young millionaire kids who never went to college (some not to high school) and who don't have to go to work in the morning for another month or so... On a national holiday.

Patrick Kane's done worse.

Still if Claude wanted to restructure his contract for 10% less a year to apologize I wouldn't argue.

 

The players association would NEVER allow it.

I think you're missing the point. MacDonald was not going to turn that contract down as no other GM in their right mind would give him that deal. Schenn is a two year bridge contract and Giroux is thw subject of this debate. If he's shipped out I'd say it would be tough getting LT deals without a lot of cap crushing contracts with a lot of team unfriendly clauses.

Just my 2 cents though and stranger things have happened in the NHL

No other GM would have given MacDonald that deal?  Did you see the insane crap the Caps GM pulled on july 1st?  Care to revise your statement?

IMO, I think AMac would have gotten a fairly similar deal on the open market.  It was a weak crop of FA d-men this year.

Greetings:

 

As we head into the pre-season and beyond the first thought that comes to mind is our goaltending. Not our D (we know it is slow and creaky), but goaltending. Why?

 

1) Do we know that Mason's "renaissance" is the real deal or a one-season replay of Columbus?  I like the guy and would like to think he has turned a corner. But we need some confirmation.

 

2) If Mason doesn't "work" or is injured--is Emery capable of a long-stretch?  Heck, his lateral mobility will be targeted by any opposition in any single game.

 

3) Can we look to ZeppArz or whomever to bail us out?

 

I was really hoping we'd get a Greis or Lindback into the fold.  Homer's long-term deal for Mason has to work out in the short-term; I don't see much else on the horizon.

 

Best,

 

Howie

1) This is the big question and considering the history of goalies in this org, its certainly a worry but....I dunno.....just a gut feeling, I dont see him regressing.  Those columbus teams he was on in his early years were HORRIBLE. And he was asked to do far too much, far too soon.  But if he doesnt work out, at least he isnt signed for the better part of a decade like Bryz was.

2) No I dont think Emery could really handle a full schedule, but he was the best of the available backups IMO, has been a starter before, so who knows. As long as his wires dont get crossed and he goes rogue and tries to punchify an opponents face, he would be somewhat serviceable.  But losing mason would be a huge blow.

3) I dont think any of the prospects are anywhere near ready, but you never know.

outstanding write up, thanks for taking the time to post this.  Hopefully I'll try to make it down to the meeting next year.

  This might be one of the stupidest threads I've ever read on here. A lot of guessing and conjecture going on about Giroux first of all. To think he has a problem based on one night of drunken misadventure....that is taking a pretty big leap. It's impossible to draw these types of conclusions based on this one night. Now there is speculation he was drinking when he hurt himself golfing?? Really??....hey, maybe...maybe not, but until anything is proven, it's all conjecture. I'm willing to give G the benefit of the doubt.

 

  Does anyone care G is a 3.5 years younger than Weber, and is entering his prime? Our offense would be PUTRID without G. He *is* the straw that stirs the drink. How about we show some patience, and just see if one of these 5 or 6 excellent prospects turn out to be our stud d-man we have been searching for?? I admire Weber, he is great  in his own right, but the age difference AND the fact we finally have some wicked young D prospects of our own tells me to sit back and stay patient.

I agree and can't believe someone actually suggested trading the face of the franchise over this incident.  Just so I know.....is this kind of thing the norm here?  Am I going to regret registering?