BearOnIce

We can boith agree that Holmgren ain't the solution. Good luck tonite against Stamkos.

You ain't the GM.

Feel the love my brother from another mother. Snider and Homgren are the problem. Aw heck, lets throw Lukko right in there too. After all the guy is from Boston and he must be sabotaging the Flyers! Roberts is a keeper. Ruff will get hired within 30 days. There are lots of bottom feeders in the East that are ready to flip the coaching switch to try to save some face...

Exactly. Like a bull moose strapped to the top of a logging truck going up Rt 201 to Quebec through the Alagash. Get the picture?

What? "You're comparing the trade based on what JVR is doing in the Leafs organization, not where he performed in your own. Why would you compare anything else? It's all about results and mano-mano I ain't seeing it with Mr. L. Schenn. "For whatever reason, he didn't skate hard or battle for you guys." Enough of a reason to move his xss out.. Maybe he was frustrated? Yea, with that kind of money anyone would get frustrated. Maybe he needed his mommy to pull up his Big Boy Panties. "Maybe he had no chemistry with linemates?" Yea, that was it. Definately. Injuries or effort had nothing to do with it. Right. "For whatever reason he underperformed for you guys big time, and this season would most likely have been no different as he'd clearly fallen out of favor." Players usually fall out of favor when they don't perform. Your opinion about this season is not supported by any proof, all conjecture. In fact, JVR is lighting it up in Toronto while Luke Schenn is nothing more than ordinary for the O&B. One more example, on top of Bob, Jagr, and Carle, why this Flyers organization will never win anything with Holmgren as GM, Clarke as Senior V.P. doing who knows what, and Old Ed Snider spending money like a drunken sailor to try and get another Cup at whatever cost before he gets plotted up in Laurel Hill Cemetary along with the long line of Sniders..

Yup, 3rd line center.

Yea, ok I'll agree on Gus. Grossman is a beast but no puck movement. L. Schenn was supposed to be a puck mover? Coburn is regressing and Kimmo is getting old. Mez is coming back than god. Foster, don't get me going. But you gotta admit the defence is not the pride of the litter. Oh, and your point on Bryz is exactly right on. Maybe Homer is trying to get his trade value back up so they can move him. Anything to make this guy look good. What a mistake. That's what happens when the owner plays GM. You are right, it is killing Lavy's system.

His name is well known now. He hunts like a cougar. Bites like a Viper. Leaves the other teams player DNA on the ice and boards. The difference is that he is smarter, and is talking with the referee's. This makes a difference. He could have been pulling a sled and he still would of gotten that empty netter. Broken stick over the crossbar, nice touch of futility..

No problem. I tend to be a little fatalistic on this team this year. I'm sure I bring out the worst in most of the Faithful. You know what it really is? I am waiting to see this organization actually some time before all of us die to have a cohesive, long-term plan, drafting farm team up, instead of the year after year knee jerk have to win this year from Snider down. There is so much friggin talent out there on the ice, especially the forwards, that needs mentoring and time to develop that I am afraid is not harnessed properly to realize full potential. For example, this GM let's Jagr go, a major mentoring influence on the young guys. Who cares about how he plays or how much, you kidding me Homer, what F'cjk-up thinking. This GM just is not good enough. 38 years (just amazing to me) and waiting..

I will say this, no question Homer has got to go. Now on Lavy, for his up tempo attack style to work, the forwards have to be constantly in motion pushing the puck north. With this defence, and the lack of any puck movement except Kimmo, that is just not going to happen. I have not seen Laviolette exhibit that capability to coach out of his box. No a bad coach, just limited and inflexible.

Yea, I got some peoples sander up over even the mention of Lindy....

A little harsh, don't you think? You watching the same team and organization the rest of us are? Fake season? ok.

Homer got fleeced. Flyers will not go anywhere as long as this stonehead remains as GM. Snider's headstone will read could've, should've... Bye bye Ed.

Oh, and these 2nd periods have been a joke. I think the Fylers are 0-7 coming back from 2nd period defecit. Today will be no different. Time to shake things up as Flyers approach 1/2 shortened season.. I'd take Lindy Ruff in a heartbeat.

I would expect some kind of trade after today's loss. No one should be untouchable except Giroux. The defense will not get the Flyers to the playoffs. Going to have to give up a good forward or two, no other way. That is the price the Flyers pay for not having a GM that does not know how to draft and develop defencemen. Bryz is looking more and more like not the solution, today case in point.

Yea, you gotta start to wonder. These starts have been totally unacceptable.

The picks conceal the problems. Howson was a fraud. Kekalainen is the real deal. He will work well with Davidson. Both have Blues pedigree. This team is getting a lot better, and fast. Good young core. I watched them in their loss to Avs last night 3-2 but Bob was solid (Flyers are going to regret that move..) and they have a very up tempo defence corp that moves the puck well. I doubt that they make the payoffs this year but are starting to move back to the upswing they had 3 years ago.

The Coach: Yes that is exactly what I am saying. Management is the problem, but Ownership is the bigger problem. It has to start at the top or the fans of this franchise are in for a long wait. They will get close, but it will be a long wait. BOI

Van: With all respect, when the Flyers make a pro-active move like this and get someone at GM who actually knows how to draft and deveop an organization, let me know, ok? http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/story/?id=415882&hubname=nhl-blue_jackets BOI

Thanks, I guess all I was trying to say is that it takes time. I read this morning that Luekko says Holmgren and Laviolette are not on the chopping block so maybe just spin or maybe they realize now, finally now, that they have a good nucleus of kids but it will take time. I suspect that Holmgren already has a game plan for getting the defence better this summer and although still a bit too early maybe Bryz is returning to form. This is not the Flyers year by far so let's look to next year. I suspect that future Hall of Famer CP12 is going to get tapped for a defensive coaching post in this organization. That, in my humble opinion, would be one of the best coaching additions that they could make.

Howie, god bless you for being a teacher. Excellent post. Rux great add-in. I think it is even simplier. The Flyers have Snider as owner. In his zeal to always win at basically whatever cost he forces the organization and GM's hand to make moves they should not. Everything is a short-term strategy. Snider is a desperate man trying to win that desperate cup that has eluded him since he put a team the in the mid-70's that could win with a brusing style that was allowed in the NHL at that time. Snider does not understand that building a Cup winner is an organic and internal process. And it takes years. Snider simply lacks the patience. He is always trying to short-circuit the cycle. And, it is reinforced by many of the Flyers Faithful mentality of gotta have the Cup now. This year. Chicago is a good example of how it is done.

No Snider, Clarke, Holmgren or Lavy. House cleaning.

Staus Quo: The Flyers fans are the most faithful in the league. Flyers Comcast plays on this. It is about $$$$ with them as Robber Barons. Go look at what other organizations do. It is painfully obvious we are being played. Flyers will never win anything as long as Snider, Clarke, and Holmgren are there. Never. The complete organization is knee-jerk. Holmgren always tries to look like he is trying to make the team better but his history of the worst farm team in the league says otherwise. he has no clue to build and he has Snider always wanting to win = No patience. Instant Gratification Ed. This team has not developed more than a handful of defensemen in 35+ years. Don't even go there with goalies. Why you let Jagr and Carle go is beyond me. Giroux is proving quickly to be a young, struggling captain. You have to trade forwards now, not later, to stop the defensive melt-down. You telling me that injuries to Harts, Mez are the primary reason this teams sits #12 in the East this morning. I am a Peter Laviolette supporter, but I am questioning if he is right for this team. If Lavy goes, so needs to Holmgren, and all the coaches.. Enough of the inbreeding and croynism. I will make no critique of individual players except to say outside of Giroux, I would consider all offers. Who would of guessed that on 2.17.13 this Fkyers team would be in this shape but Bryz, "The Man Of A Thousand White Tigers", would be playing well.

Enjoying Blue Jackets - Yotes tonite on Center Ice. Yandle does not look that good. I would take Doan in a minute. You are correct with everything you say. This Flyers team has problems. Coaching & GM should be held reponsible. Nuff said.

I was having a meltdown. Big time.