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Unfreakin believable and disgusting.

Are the Flyer players guilty of taking too long of shifts? Looks like they get gassed in their own end lots. Should be changing at least 2 in the transition from the offensive zone into your own zone. Instead they lolygag back into their own to tired to skate and get hemed in.

So in my many years I have watched a lot of hockey games and I have played a lot of games too, some under some pretty decent coaches. This debacle of this season it 80-90% on coaching. Never have I seen players so far out of position and making stupid low percentage plays. It is so frustrating to watch as I still believe there is some talent here. The coaches need to teach proper positioning, like on the stars goal WTF was the I'm an doing pinching? Jesus H Christ he should be sitting the rest of the game. Stupid passes across the ice that have 0 chance of working. Piss poor coaching plain and simple. Good coaches would address this crap. You know maybe this team isn't the most talented but damn the all made it to the NHL so they can play. There is no structure being coached its like a frickin' pee-weefree for all out there.

But, but, but you said it's the players..... Players or management which is it? Lol

It's not weird at all. Those two teams were laden with veteran talent and stellar goal tending not a bunch of young kids trying to find their game at the NHL level. I have said ever sense the disaster in the bubble AV was not the coach for this team.

You hit the nail on the head with this post. Playing a team over and over exposed AV as I coach that could not make adjustments.

Give it a rest buddy. You know damn well AV was an utter failure as HC. Hey I know you have a man crush on him but he failed as HC.

We need a proper GM before looking for a HC.

Seriously? They honoured Voracek. Why oh why......lol

Hey, a Fletcher built team will always sets records.

Just got to tune in to the 3rd period. There is absolutely no structure to their game. Pee-wees play better positional hockey. Unbelievable how bad they look.

Thanks for ruining my day!! Lol

Yeah I was pi$$ed too, and to make it worse the both wan a cup with LA.

You talking Richards and Carter? Yeah I thought there was more to that story too.

Not Tortorella fan at all, but he just might be what this team needs.

You are kidding right? No HC would agree to have somebody else select his assistant coaches or positional coaches for him it would hamstring him from the start. Face It AV and his coaches from top to bottom were failures. Oh, I forgot your big argument......it's the players fault, they are playing unmotivated hockey right? Well it's the HCs job to motivate and instill a sense of team to the dressing room and change the culture of a bad team. If he is not doing that he is failing at his job. AV was a failure and so are "his" positional coaches.

Did AV do anything to change the culture of this team? No he did not. Or is that not a HCs job? Did AV teach his young players structure? No he did not. Or is that not a HCs job? Did AV improve this team through smart coaching? No he did not. Or is that not a HCs job? It's AV assistant running the show behind the bench, no wonder it's the same old, same old. Are you AVs agent or something? You sure are sticking up for poor coaching. You know damn well AV never used Ghost in a way to utilize his skill set. As he never did with any young players.

Lol, you are kidding right? Bad coaching can ruin a young player quickly destroy his confidence. Why has Ghost prospered in Arizona on arguably a worse team?

So like GratefulFlyers said, why have players like Sanheim, Konecny, Gostisbehere and Provorov all have taken a step backwards? If it's not coaching in your opinion what is it? Maybe all the youngsters lost the will to win or forgot how to play? All the coaching staff still remaining are AVs staff so it's no wonder things haven't changed. Like I said any HC worth his salt as HC would never allow a GM to force a coaching staff on him. This is AVs mess and until a new HC is hired and brings in his own staff it will be status quo in Flyer land. Fletcher dosen't have the smarts to fix this.

I still say AV was a has been coach never liked the hire. But name me one HC that works 1 on 1 with individual players? It just dosen't happen in the NHL. That is what positional coached do, work 1 on 1 with players to improve their game. Do HC's work with goalies, no they don't. Do they work with defencemen 1 to 1, no they don't. AV might have been a good HC at and time, but he needs a team full of veteran players that are NHL seasoned. Not first, second and even to some extent 3 year players. The Flyers do not and have not for the past 10 or so years have the position coaches to develop young players. Hence players with high potential taking steps backwards. I have made no secret that I hated AV as a coach. Him and Fletcher as the GM, HC combination would be a disaster. Most on here thought I was crazy.....maybe I am, but now it looks like just might have been right. I highly doubt any HC worth is salt would allow any GM to force assistant coaches on him. If by chance he allows it he is a ****** HC to start with. If the staff was AVs choice there again he is a failure. Either way AV failed.

Name me an instance in the last 10-15 years when the Flyers have had good positional coaches to teach the young players? It's not just the HC but coaching as a whole entity. Most draft picks struggle with the jump from junior/college to the NHL and need support and personal coaching.

You need good positional coaches to bring the young players along and correct the errors young players will inevitably make. So yeah, it's coaching but not just the HC but coaching top to bottom.

Watching this game I'm not fully convinced that there isn't some young talent on this team. Yeah there are some albatrosses here Hayes, JVR, Ellis and a couple others. But if they hire some good position coaches and a HC that can help the youngsters instead of hindering them the rebuild might not take as long as one might think. But we need a good GM to start the process.

Was just thinking about how all are young players are not progressing into the top players they could be. Could it be we don't have the right coaches in place to teach the next steps? This got me thinking who was the last player brought along the right way to become a star? We need a better HC and assistants that's a given but we also need better positional coaches to teach the young kids.

Well that's a great point. Lol