Fizz

Unfreakin believable and disgusting.

Are the Flyer players guilty of taking too long of shifts?

Looks like they get gassed in their own end lots.

Should be changing at least 2 in the transition from the offensive zone into your own zone. Instead they lolygag back into their own to tired to skate and get hemed in.

So in my many years I have watched a lot of hockey games and I have played a lot of games too, some under some pretty decent coaches.

This debacle of this season it 80-90%

on coaching. Never have I seen players so far out of position and making stupid low percentage plays.

It is so frustrating to watch as I still believe there is some talent here.

The coaches need to teach proper positioning, like on the stars goal WTF was the I'm an doing pinching?

Jesus H Christ he should be sitting the rest of the game.

Stupid passes across the ice that have 0 chance of working.

Piss poor coaching plain and simple.

Good coaches would address this crap. You know maybe this team isn't the most talented but damn the all made it to the NHL so they can play.

There is no structure being coached its like a frickin' pee-weefree for all out there.

5 hours ago, CoachX said:

Totally agree

6 hours ago, CoachX said:

One thing they are never short on, excuses. Or, maybe that just applies to our forum analysis. There have been trades. There have been firings. There have been roster make overs.

 

The team just isn't good. Some players might be, but as a team, they aren't. I suspect there are personality differences in the locker room that are significant. I suspect alot of finger pointing,  which in my mind directly causes the fragility and collapses. My last thought, and the first person who pops in my mind is JVR, this is a business. These guys play for money. Some, lots of it. If the team sucks, they still get paid, so why bother. Others might want out (JVR, Giroux, Coots) entirely. As bad as they are, you don't have to do much to stay on the ice.

 

Bottom line.... its the Players!

But, but, but you said it's the players.....

Players or management which is it?

Lol

3 hours ago, CoachX said:

Wait AV took 2 teams to the finals? That can't be true. If so then those 2 teams must have been soo good, they could win in spite of his ineptitude

 

I just read he has a bunch of wins as an NHL coach. That's weird  

It's not weird at all. Those two teams were laden with veteran talent and stellar goal tending not a bunch of young kids trying to find their game at the NHL level.

I have said ever sense the disaster in the bubble AV was not the coach for this team.

3 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Stellar goaltending can hide a serious number of deficiencies in any team. Fact is, when they got to the playoffs, Montreal exposed them and New York decimated them. After that, the book was out on how to defeat the Flyers and Vigneault never adjusted his game plan. 

You hit the nail on the head with this post.

Playing a team over and over exposed AV as I coach that could not make adjustments.

Just now, CoachX said:

I thought AV was the problem ?

Give it a rest buddy. You know damn well AV was an utter failure as HC.

Hey I know you have a man crush on him but he failed as HC.

We need a proper GM before looking for a HC.

1 hour ago, FD19372 said:

Maybe Comcast gets tired of seeing empty seats, which I guarantee you, unless the construct of this team drastically changes, will happen next year. Maybe they'll be fed up from bleeding money. This team might just be giving them a bad image, recently. I just fear that we're going to have to go through another year of this. I mean..look at what happened last night. They honoured one of the most overrated players in the history of the franchise, Jakub Voracek. WHHHYYYY??? They are completely out of touch with reality, and the fanbase. That's why.

Seriously? They honoured Voracek.

Why oh why......lol

1 hour ago, flyercanuck said:

TEN IN A ROW! 

 

TWICE, in the same season. 

 

And we actually gave up assets to get here!

Hey, a Fletcher built team will always sets records.

Just got to tune in to the 3rd period.

There is absolutely no structure to their game.

Pee-wees play better positional hockey.

Unbelievable how bad they look.

21 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Two.

 

And Gagne won one in LA, too...

Thanks for ruining my day!!

Lol

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Yep two of my favorite Flyers drafted and not happy about their exit...

 

...which has been well discussed here.

 

Yeah I was pi$$ed too, and to make it worse the both wan a cup with LA.

20 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Maybe he knows secrets.....dark secrets even....think back to them dry island days even.

 

Think about their two stars they traded out of town real quickly? But why??? Hhhhhmmm.

 

Always thought something was fishy about all that. I think Paul knows a lot or is responsible for a lot and why he has been protected ie blackmailing them.

 

Keep stuff from being reopened....never know.

You talking Richards and Carter?

Yeah I thought there was more to that story too.

22 hours ago, GrittyForever said:

So you want a hard ass coach? I guess Tortorella's available.............

 

idk, I think this group of players just doesn't work and needs to be broken up. It needs a tear down, a clear rebuild direction that they stick to, and a solid identity (whatever that is). 

 

Ultimately FA over paying and poor drafting will kill any franchise. remember when everybody was saying the Flyers had a stuffed full prospect cupboard and the future was bright? Funny how fast that can all just go poof.

Not Tortorella fan at all, but he just might be what this team needs.

2 hours ago, CoachX said:

Still beating that drum? AV is to blame and no good postition coaches?

 

Did AV bring in the position coaches, or was he stuck with those hired by the organization?

You are kidding right?

No HC would agree to have somebody else select his assistant coaches or positional coaches for him it would hamstring him from the start.

Face It AV and his coaches from top to bottom were failures.

Oh, I forgot your big argument......it's the players fault, they are playing unmotivated hockey right?

Well it's the HCs job to motivate and instill a sense of team to the dressing room and change the culture of a bad team.

If he is not doing that he is failing at his job. AV was a failure and so are "his" positional coaches.

1 hour ago, CoachX said:

Ok. Which of Ghosts 4 head coaches, while in Philly, was responsible for his demise? Let me guess, it was AV right?

 

And I suppose he was responsible for his injuries too?

Did AV do anything to change the culture of this team? No he did not.

Or is that not a HCs job?

Did AV teach his young players structure? No he did not. Or is that not a HCs job?

Did AV improve this team through smart coaching? No he did not.

Or is that not a HCs job?

It's AV assistant running the show behind the bench, no wonder it's the same old, same old.

Are you AVs agent or something?

You sure are sticking up for poor coaching.

You know damn well AV never used Ghost in a way to utilize his skill set.

As he never did with any young players.

23 minutes ago, CoachX said:

Its the front office overvalued and  drafting players that don't go on to be good nhlers. It's a core group of players that have been coddled by that same front office, who easily blame a coach because that takes the focus off them

 

The players you are referring to, are regressing because this team sucks. There is a culture that breeds it. Thats why, no matter who they hire to coach, the result will be the same

Lol, you are kidding right?

Bad coaching can ruin a young player quickly destroy his confidence.

Why has Ghost prospered in Arizona on arguably a worse team?

15 minutes ago, CoachX said:

And so did the coach before him, and the one before him, and the one before him....all the way back to Lavy who got fired. Oh, and if no one noticed, the current coach is failing also

So like GratefulFlyers said, why  have players like Sanheim, Konecny, Gostisbehere and Provorov all have taken a step backwards?

If it's not coaching in your opinion what is it?

Maybe all the youngsters lost the will to win or forgot how to play?

All the coaching staff still remaining are AVs staff so it's no wonder things haven't changed.

Like I said any HC worth his salt as HC would never allow a GM to force a coaching staff on him.

This is AVs mess and until a new HC is hired and brings in his own staff it will be status quo in Flyer land.

Fletcher dosen't have the smarts to fix this.

1 hour ago, CoachX said:

Nope. I wont do that. Maybe you're right, but im not going to research what I think is inconsequential argument

 

Fact is, the Flyers have gone through head coaches and GM's with the main core of players still here, doing what they have been doing all along

 

I applaud you changing the narrative and shifting the blame to assistant coaches. After we beat that argument to death, we can blame the caterer for not serving sushi on Tuesday games in February against teams wearing white jerseys for away games 

I still say AV was a has been coach never liked the hire.

But name me one HC that works 1 on 1 with individual players?

It just dosen't happen in the NHL.

That is what positional coached do, work 1 on 1 with players to improve their game.

Do HC's work with goalies, no they don't.

Do they work with defencemen 1 to 1, no they don't.

AV might have been a good HC at and time, but he needs a team full of veteran players that are NHL seasoned. Not first, second and even to some extent 3 year players.

The Flyers do not and have not for the past 10 or so years have the position coaches to develop young players. Hence players with high potential taking steps backwards.

I have made no secret that I hated AV as a coach. Him and Fletcher as the GM, HC combination would be a disaster. Most on here thought I was crazy.....maybe I am, but now it looks like just might have been right.

I highly doubt any HC worth is salt would allow any GM to force assistant coaches on him.

If by chance he allows it he is a ****** HC to start with.

If the staff was AVs choice there again he is a failure.

Either way AV failed.

13 minutes ago, CoachX said:

Wash, rinse, repeat

Name me an instance in the last 10-15 years when the Flyers have had good positional coaches to teach the young players?

It's not just the HC but coaching as a whole entity.

Most draft picks struggle with the jump from junior/college to the NHL and need support and personal coaching.

12 hours ago, radoran said:

 

It was the coach.

 

You need good positional coaches to bring the young players along and correct the errors young players will inevitably make.

So yeah, it's coaching but not just the HC but coaching top to bottom.

Watching this game I'm not fully convinced that there isn't some young talent on this team. Yeah there are some albatrosses here Hayes, JVR, Ellis and a couple others.

But if they hire some good position coaches and a HC that can help the youngsters instead of hindering them the rebuild might not take as long as one might think.

But we need a good GM to start the process.

Was just thinking about how all are young players are not progressing into the top players they could be.

Could it be we don't have the right coaches in place to teach the next steps?

This got me thinking who was the last player brought along the right way to become a star?

We need a better HC and assistants that's a given but we also need better positional coaches to teach the young kids.

44 minutes ago, Howie58 said:

I agree on York. Maybe Farabee isn't that great but compared to his teammates, his quick shot and speed stand out.

Well that's a great point. Lol