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2 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Thank God...

 

...did you see what they did with the ones they had good lord yes now i know why they trade them...

I did a whole post on it...

12 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

See? There's good players there.

He's the Scott Laughton of Lehigh Valley.

9 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

but damn looking at their 4th round picks the last 20 years man they have been dogshit picking in that round

They didn't even have a 4th in six of those years...

Connor "Echo and the" Bunnaman!

44 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

Meanie

2 minutes ago, CoachX said:

See, I don’t think there is anything wrong with that, given what they gave up. You make a safe move that doesn’t cost anything, and if you make the playoffs it’s a bonus

 

correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a business, right? If they make the playoffs that means more money for everyone, including the players. I would assume you’d have some pissed off guys in the coveted “room” we all talk about, if you just packed it in when they could get paid

You were saying they didn't make a move to spend assets to make the playoffs.

6 hours ago, CoachX said:

I don’t recall reading anyone saying not to rebuild, or that assets should be traded for a player or two to get this team into the playoffs 

There. That's what I was responding to.

The fact that you apparently now support the thing you said no one was in favor of - checks notes - six hours ago is your own issue.

24 minutes ago, aziz said:

Have most cup winners been noted as having a bunch of guys coasting now and then through the season,

It's not "coasting" as much as it is letting the feel of the season play out. A lot of recent Cup winner have guys who took the year (or months) off on "LTIR" and came back for the playoffs (ask JR lol). See: Vegas, Colorado...

If your goal for the season is to "restore culture and accountability" and see what the youth on your roster can do that's a different goal than "make the playoffs."

I'm not saying "don't play hard" but playing balls to the wall night in and night out drains a player and a team.

It's one reason why nobody "wants" the President's Trophy.

You've certainly seen the "extra gear" of the playoffs. Guys ramp up their play, dive further, push harder.

Well if you have "lunch pail" guys giving that "extra" not for 16-28 games but for 82 they aren't going to have the "next gear" that other teams are ramping up to.

You're already on boost.

You also are dealing with a league where the top to bottom talent is miles beyond what it was "back in the day", where the equipment means everyone is faster and the training means they're stronger.

It's a different level of game than it was even 20 years ago, much less to the Bullies years.

Now, take the example of a guy who hasn't played hockey for over a year coming back from a debilitating back injury and start him off at 20 minutes a night against the top lines of the NHL.

He's out of gas 60+ games in to your "playoff run"?

Color me surprised.

Regardless of whether "my way" (which is far from "mine") works, we know unequivocally that the way they've been doing it DOESN'T.

Make the playoffs. Anything can happen.

47 minutes ago, flyerrod said:

I don’t know anyone on this site that thought #77 was a good idea. Most understand the reason management made the choice but mo one on here agreed with it unless Jonesy or Briere are secretly members here…..

I was fine with it as far as it went.

Just saying they actually DID trade an asset for a player "to make the playoffs" that's all.

2 hours ago, CoachX said:

After they traded Walker, with the injuries they had, someone had to play defense.

Sure, and they had warm bodies that could do that.

They made the move "to make the playoffs" - regardless of how the pylon actually turned out, that was the rationale. Such as it was...

8 minutes ago, CoachX said:

I don’t recall reading anyone saying not to rebuild

I think it's the definition of "rebuild" that's at issue here - like whether an effective rebuild can be done drafting in the middle-to-late parts of the draft consistently.

8 minutes ago, CoachX said:

or that assets should be traded for a player or two to get this team into the playoffs 

They actually did just that, and there were people who supported/still support the idea. See: the pylon wearing the #77 sweater acquired from a 4th rounder that could have been the next Gustav Nyqvist, Andrew Copp, Hardy Haman Aktell, or Ethan Del Mastro*.

Others are disappointed they didn't get a goalie to backup Ersson and/or add some additional scoring.

* no, really!!

42 minutes ago, CoachX said:

It’s Funny how they always know what they want in spite of what we think

Yep. Just look at ol' 21 skating around with the big A on his sweater.

Geniuses.

56 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

The difference between bad teams and decent teams is slim too.

The difference between "good" and "decent" teams is not insignificant and the gap between "good" (DAL/COL) and "bad" (CBJ/SJS) is vast.

There's a 20 point difference from the top of the standings to the bubble. There's another 20 points (in the East) to the bottom of the standings - it's wider in the West.

Teams with 14, 15, 16 more wins in the W column are significantly better.

Again, not to say "bottom" teams "can't" beat "better" teams, it's whether they can do it 4 times each against "better" teams in the playoffs that matters.

32 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

If only there was a way of acquiring said talent.... 

Chicago, Anaheim, and San Jose seem to be working on a method. So's Columbus, as if that counts for anything.

But, hey, the Flyers have a 6.2% chance to make the playoffs. And they just beat the Rangers.

Anything can happen.

14 minutes ago, Puck_Pun said:

 

Seems like the politically smart thing to do. After the vote, it was clear a lot of people are actively uninterested in having a local team so appealing to them would be an overall gain

Actively uninterested in PAYING to have a local team - and who can blame them?

46 minutes ago, Math said:

The NHL made it clear that the current Delta Center in SLC is only a temporary solution and that a new arena should be built there. So if it fails, Salt Lake could move to a large market without an NHL team like Arizona... 

Yeah, wouldn't want to have professional athletes playing in substandard conditions.

It would be a complete embarrassment to the league from which they might never recover.

Salt Lake Licks is sitting right there...

3 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

Don't effin matter the will be right back here next year mediocre as hell...

 

In related news, water still wet.

Developing.

3 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

To put it in perspective we don't need tea leaves but we do - I do - need more than ACBA.

Stay on the search. You want to pick apart shifts and sift through the sands looking for a deeper answer - have at it.

Report back. Let us know what you find.

4 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

 

I see. So it's basically a crap shoot. I accept that if we're talking about where the Flyers are now. But earlier in the season they played consistently good, fast hockey - goaltending was solid - and it wasn't a crap shoot at all.

 

Certainly ACBA is "the bottom line" it's just not very helpful.

Things aren't special because they happen to the Flyers.

Occam's Razor - the theorem, not the poster - is a very useful tool (*ahem* ). The most likely answer is probably correct.

The Flyers losing to the Cup Finalist Rangers 4-3 in the first round 10 years ago wasn't "a good sign." Them beating the Rangers 4-1 in Game 79 this year isn't "a good sign."

Stop reading tea leaves and look at the broader picture. This team does not have the talent to win 16 playoff games. Beating Edmonton, the Rangers, and Colorado in the regular season doesn't mean they can hang with them in a seven game series.

We know this because we've been watching this show for a decade.

They do have the talent to beat anyone on any given night - based in no small part upon how that opponent plays.

The Rangers had an off night. The Flyers put it all together.

The Rangers are a top team that can recover from an off night. The Flyers - by your own evaluation - are a mystery that no one knows who's going to show up each night.

That is a vast gap in hockey and the difference between a legit Cup contender and a middling bubble playoff team.

1 hour ago, GratefulFlyers said:

I offered a partial explanation for the result, namely how well Ersson played. But why he and the Flyers suddenly played so well, that's what I find interesting don't you?

You previous point was not knowing whether or if they would play the same way again.

That is ACBAOAGN.

When, as @SCFlyguy has shown, you are typically getting 62% of your potential points, you are a league of difference away from 51%.

It's the very difference between a team playing for the President's Cup and one hoping they beat Washington at the end of the season to possibly face them.

The Rangers can afford a stinker in game 78.

The Flyers need to be nearly flawless AND get mistakes from the other team.

I'm looking for the Flyers to be on a reasonable trajectory to be in the former position than the latter.

Getting back to where they were for the most futile decade of hockey in franchise history honestly, truly does not excite me a little bit.

YMMV

3 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

frankly I don't know what that was...and I have no idea if we'll see it again tomorrow.

You took a long ways to get back to what I said in the first place.

All of the things are factors in all of the games. Rags lost to the Pens and Isles in the last 10 days. Late season division games against teams pushing for the playoffs while you're pushing for a team record in wins.

Again, any given night.

Back on the bubble.

48 minutes ago, Brewin Flames said:

Sooner or later these overpriced contracts will bite them....

After how many more Cups?

47 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

what a whackjob team....

 

I'd love to believe in the Flyers, in Jones/Briere and Tortorella but how can I? What kind of team spends weeks sabotaging their PO hopes then goes into MSG and beats maybe the best team in the NHL? Beats them convincingly too. This team makes no sense to me.

 

It's like a switch was flipped back to "ON" and last night they started playing professional hockey again. whackjobs...

It's honestly that any given night a professional hockey team can beat another professional hockey team.

It's doing it 16 times in four seven game series that's the trick...

Everything's great.
 

Rebuild back on schedule - ahead even.

Beat the Caps and make the playoffs.

Good sign.

54 minutes ago, IllaZilla said:

Or a name that makes no sense, like the Utah Jazz. 

When was there any jazz in Utah?

They will be the first franchise to not have the name of the city in their name.

They will be

THE DONNER PARTY

Where LTIR goes to retire

19 minutes ago, jammer2 said:

With one year remaining, NOT buying out Atkinson would be GM incompetence. Open a spot for a youngster, spread out the cap hit and the fans don't have to see 20+ games without a goal again. Easy peasy. 

Incompetence, indeed!

Save $2.5M in Y1, costs $1.7M in Y2.

It would not surprise me to see him on the roster next year...

50 minutes ago, Mad Dog said:

 Agreed.  That Montreal game was just a disaster, no matter from what angle you look at it. The team was unrecognizable.  It's almost like they didn't want to have anything to do with even being on the ice in that game.

Which is, well, at the very least, weird given that it was a "must win" game for the playoff push from the much ballyhooed "new culture" of the locker room.

And they basically quit on each other and the coach.

We've seen Flyer legends canned for such things.

I really hope that they see this sign for what it is and not an "unfortunate problem that happened due to injuries and the eclipse".