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2 hours ago, Math said:

What they need now is the addition of one or two big names

What? They have Shea Weber for two more seasons!

3 hours ago, CreaseAndAssist said:

He was a vets first kind of coach.  Where young kids feel blocked out or unvalued. 

Right, but there were three "kids" on the team.

Beniers averaged 17:17 ice time

Evans averaged 19 minutes in 36 games.

I'm mainly asking who "the kids" that went to the GM and said they wouldn't skate for Hakstol again were?

Tye Kartye got 11 or so and did play some on the top line in the playoffs last season. That said, how much clout does his 20 points in 77 games give him in firing a coach?

There's obviously a lot more here than a few kids being upset with their ice time.

1 minute ago, flyercanuck said:

Centre is an entirely different position than wing, way more difficult. 

Dude, you can totally OJT being a #1C in the NHL.

Worked out great for the Flyers last time.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat!

27 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

Come on homie use your cranial sponge.

It's like you've never posted here before.

Just now, mojo1917 said:

The website lists him as a C

He's playing RW in the playoffs.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/teams/carolina-hurricanes/line-combinations

CapFriendly has him as a RW

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/hurricanes

But you are correct, he has played some C this year.

Jus' pokin' Occ on his RW obsession

23 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

Necas just turned 25 in January.

 

Not sure if the Canes will let him go or not.

Flyers could use a good RW.

46 minutes ago, CreaseAndAssist said:

But perhaps younger players weren't so happy?  

They had three guys under the age of 25.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/team/roster/_/name/sea/seattle-kraken

Something stinks, and it's probably the corpse of this kraken that washed up on Puget Sound.

18 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

We have to trust them to use the best method to address this.

Trust. But verify.

52 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

They still need a true #1 defenceman, a #1 goalie, and probably more heart. 

Should have taken Laughton in 2012 instead of Rielly.

3 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

No Matthews, Leafs win! I rest my case! 

This is my issue with putting injured players on the ice.

Matthews on the ice at 80% is still expected to be "Matthews" and will take up the space and ice time that he gets.

Removing that means the other guys have to play like Matthews isn't there, because he isn't, which can improve their game.

The Leaves have many more issues than Matthews' illness and have quite the home Game 6 history...

9 hours ago, SaucyJack said:

Arguably…no.  They do not.

And that's why they got swept.

Just now, TropicalFruitGirl26 said:

Yea...not exactly Curt Schilling bloody sock exploits, eh?  

Willis Reed. 1970 NBA Finals. Knicks.

There are exceptions to every rule. It's just generally decades between good examples.

Are the Caps thinking Oshie will spark a comeback and they will rattle off 16 wins with him playing with a broken hand?

Do they have no one who is more effective than a guy with a broken hand?

The Leaves finally figured out that an 80% Auston Matthews is a liability.

Mike Richards carried the Flyers to the Finals in 2010. They lost, but he got a debilitating and career ending addiction out of it. He did win a Cup with a different team, though.

All worth it.

2 minutes ago, Jimtown guy said:

Caps lose anyway. Film at 11.

Turns out guys playing injured aren't that effective...

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

They traded those players away at the trade deadline when they weren't able to compete. 

Did they start those seasons with the idea they wouldn't be competitive? I don't remember it that way. 

They were saddled with VLC's contract as he was heading into a serious decline, which made it difficult to compete for FAs.

They had serious disagreements with ownership and GMs over signings (like the Boyle signing).

They brought in Recchi after the Stamkos pick with the idea they could be competitive and shipped him off to Boston when they weren't.

Then they bought out VLC and some complete ****** moron signed him to a five year deal.

Again, I get not wanting the team to be terrible for a long stretch. I'm just at the point where what we've been subjected to is the worst stretch of organization hockey in the team's history and they're no where near turning it around until at least Michkov.

They were not "competitive" this year. They were the same middling, bubble playoff team we've come to know and loathe.

They were more entertaining. But, I'm really not interested in another decade of this slop. Watching actual playoff teams play actual playoff hockey shows me just how far away this team is.

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

It does to me.

Then you should know that the Lightning traded Vaclav Prospal for Alexandre Picard; traded Brad Richards to Dallas; traded Jan Hlavic to Nashville the season they bottomed out for Stamkos.

The next year they traded Dan Boyle to San Jose, hired Barry Melrose as coach, then traded away Recchi and Kolzig as they bottomed out for Hedman.

So, aside from needing top talent to bolster the surprise 2/3 round picks, they also traded away talent and bottomed out to get picks. (Acknowledging that a factor in all of this was that the team was sold twice in three years).

That team went on to win two Cups.

The always retooling and restocking Flyers have made the second round of the playoffs once since 2010.

Now we are two years away from the possibility of a top talent pick coming over and we have a 6th overall who has a bit of a bum shoulder.

I get not liking the idea that the team may need to actually bottom out before it rises again.

My point is that hoping that doesn't happen has left the team a moribund, bubble playoff squad for over a decade with a glide path to that continuing to be the case.

We'll see where it goes.

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

The team was legitimately bad when those guys were drafted. 

 

TBL didn't get rid of everyone good to make it happen. 

 

They hit on those picks/ were lucky when they sucked.

The point being - they legitimately sucked and picked high.

Doesn't really matter how they got there.

Again, the strategy of looking for top talent in the 2/3 rounds isn't a bad idea.

A strategy where you aren't adding them to two top players?

We'll see...

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

They should be used as a model for building a window to compete for championships.

Picking in the middle of the first round consistently

Seriously, you're citing a #1 and #2 overall picks as a model to build on.

I mean, we agree, but...

35 minutes ago, Brewin Flames said:

Esp seeing as how Francis gave him an extention that hadn't even kicked in yet...

This isn't even a year old

https://www.nhl.com/kraken/news/seattle-kraken-announce-contract-extension-for-head-coach-dave-hakstol-345380270

Quote

"We believe we are heading in the right direction with Dave as our head coach and it was important to show that confidence with this contract extension," said Seattle Kraken General Manager Ron Francis. "Dave and his staff have done a great job of creating a close-knit, team-first mindset in our locker room and their work ethic helps set the tone for our team. Dave helped guide this team to a 40-point improvement and was a Jack Adams finalist for coach of the year. That recognition is well deserved."

...

"It has been a pleasure getting to know Dave over the last two years," added Samantha Holloway, Co-owner Seattle Kraken. "His achievements last year were remarkable, and his leadership skills and work ethic are admirable. I look forward to continued collaboration."

47 minutes ago, flyerdog said:

they have to change up their draft methodology/process

They have to change up their propensity for shipping off draft picks.

The 2011 2nd that "could have" gotten Kucherov was shipped to Arizona with Scottie Upshall for Dan Carcillo. No, really.

The 2014 3rd that "could have" gotten Point (or Ilya Sorokin, the player who the Isles picked with it) was shipped out for Andrew MacDonald.

The Flyers from 2010-2020 got nine players out of the first round who played significant time as NHL players. The Lightning got six.

The primary difference here being that the Lightning got Stamkos (#1 overall) and Hedman (#2) the two drafts prior to that.

6 minutes ago, flyerdog said:

nobody said it was easy, but they do seem to struggle with picks outside the first round..I think what Jonesy meant was they need to do better in the early rounds finding talent that becomes integral parts of the team...so they don't HAVE to go the trade route or the FA route....

There are 22 active second round players who average .5 points per game or better. That's not even one per team (Dallas has two!)

Fun fact - Point was a third round pick.

There are 20 active third rounders who average .5 points per game or better. Again, not even one per team...

There are 158 active first rounders who average .5 points per game or better.

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl-draft/en/round/1-round-draft-picks-active-players-all-time-points-per-game-leaders.html

We can "hope" for an impact player in the 2/3 round, but teams are made in the first round - usually near the top of the first round...

Moreover, adding "a Point" to this roster doesn't make them anywhere near a contender.

1 hour ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I'm fine with giving Drysdale a year to heal up. Let him come back fully 100%, not just healed from the surgery. I'm wondering if teams rush guys back because it's "oh the surgery is healed up, they're ready to go" instead of "the surgery is healed, but now we need to get them 100% game shape ready." Let Drysdale get that surgery and then don't let him back on the ice with the team until he's 100% game shape ready. 

He'll come back and say he's 100% and then after a disappointing season we'll hear that we had to expect he wouldn't be 100% coming back.

Been there. Done that. Have my Wayne Simmonds jersey...

1 minute ago, Math said:

 

Michael Jordan won a series by himself while dealing with a mix of Ebola, Cholera and a 120°F-hemorragic fever...

 

(I know, I know...)

Yes, but his coach was Chuck Norris, so...

58 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

Robertson Hintz Konecny line would be hell.

Good news for my FHL team - make it happen

Oh, and ANOTHER thing

Getting "your Point" in the second round is great.

Now, where do they get "their" Stamkos and Hedman?

1 hour ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Not sure if anyone saw Jonathan Bailey's article, but he suggested trading Konecny and Ristolainen to Anaheim for a package that includes Zegras. He doesn't mention who else should be in the package with Zegras, but he suggested that should be where the Flyers start. 

I think the Flyers have an aneurysm before they send Konecny to mentor Cutter Gauthier.

Blow my doors off and I just don't see them doing it.