terp Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 @B21I'll strip it down even further: if you are one of the last two guys involved in an altercation and both linesmen are involved separating you from the other player and you refuse to separate and continue giving out shots, you are most likely going to get a misconduct. This is a description of what Kunitz did and the circumstances. The rest of the information about who did what to whom in the scrum beforehand is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 @B21I'll strip it down even further: if you are one of the last two guys involved in an altercation and both linesmen are involved separating you from the other player and you refuse to separate and continue giving out shots, you are most likely going to get a misconduct. This is a description of what Kunitz did and the circumstances. The rest of the information about who did what to whom in the scrum beforehand is irrelevant.That ridiculous. Everything else that happened in that scrum is irrelevant? Funny...Crosby's infamous shots to the back of the head of Boris Valabik occurred "mid-scrum" and I KNOW most Flyers fans don't consider that irrelevant. Yet Scottie Hartnell gets a pass. This is so typical...pick and choose so you can come down on the other team and conveniently ignore what your own player did. In this scrum, Kunitz and Hartnell were equally malicious. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Sweet Jesus, can whoever created this thread please kill it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terp Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Sweet Jesus, can whoever created this thread please kill it now Anyone who doesn't want to watch my inane argument with B21 should leave now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terp Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 That ridiculous. Everything else that happened in that scrum is irrelevant? Funny...Crosby's infamous shots to the back of the head of Boris Valabik occurred "mid-scrum" and I KNOW most Flyers fans don't consider that irrelevant. Yet Scottie Hartnell gets a pass. This is so typical...pick and choose so you can come down on the other team and conveniently ignore what your own player did.In this scrum, Kunitz and Hartnell were equally malicious. Period.You're all wound up with who started the scrum and who punched who in the head blah blah blah. I'm concerned (or at least I was concerned and I'm not sure anymore) with something much more limited which is that if you fail to heed the officials, you are liable to get a misconduct. What happens before the linesmen each grab one of two guys in an altercation doesn't usually result in a misconduct. I'm not saying anything controversial here and it has nothing to do with which team I like. I already said I would expect any Flyer who did what Kunitz did to receive 10.Meanwhile, who's Boris Valabik and what does he have to do with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Anyone who doesn't want to watch my inane argument with B21 should leave now.It's like car wreck, I want to look away but I can't!Like I stated earlier in the thread, or was it another thread, I think a misconduct was warranted for many of the reasons you have put forth. I was at the game and haven't seen the video, but from where I sat Kunitz was on top of Hartnell long enough to be considered married in some states. A 30 second skull f**k is a little much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terp Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 ....but from where I sat Kunitz was on top of Hartnell long enough to be considered married in some states. LOL. I'd like to see Hartnell's reaction to this comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terp Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 It's like car wreck, I want to look away but I can't!Like I stated earlier in the thread, or was it another thread, I think a misconduct was warranted for many of the reasons you have put forth. I was at the game and haven't seen the video, but from where I sat Kunitz was on top of Hartnell long enough to be considered married in some states. A 30 second skull f**k is a little much.Trivia question: name all the states other than Vermont where two men can wed by wrasslin' for under a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Trivia question: name all the states other than Vermont where two men can wed by wrasslin' for under a minute.Alabama, Mississippi, West Virginia and Rick Santorum's house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xganarchy Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Crosby's infamous shots to the back of the head of Boris Valabik occurred "mid-scrum" and I KNOW most Flyers fans don't consider that irrelevant"mid-scrum" should be spelled "mid-scrotum" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terp Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Alabama, Mississippi, West Virginia and Rick Santorum's houseSupposedly Rick Santorum has officiated a number of this kind of ceremony for friends and supporters in the porn library of his home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 @terp<< You're all wound up with who started the scrum and who punched who in the head blah blah blah. I'm concerned (or at least I was concerned and I'm not sure anymore) with something much more limited which is that if you fail to heed the officials, you are liable to get a misconduct. >>I get that. You are (conveniently) focusing on a single isolated incident. Kudos. That said, there was more to the scrum than just Kunitz not getting off Hartnell when originally told to do so ("told" being the official grabbing him and trying to pull him off).<< What happens before the linesmen each grab one of two guys in an altercation doesn't usually result in a misconduct. I'm not saying anything controversial here and it has nothing to do with which team I like. >>Yeah - if something happens "before the linesman grab one of two guys in an altercation" is sure can result in a misconduct. You do realize there was quite a bit of "activity" in this altercation well before Kunitz would not get up off Hartnell. Let me make this easy for you...I am equating Kunitz's actions (the face in the ice and failure to heed the officials) to Hartnell's (punching a player pinned down on the ice and failure to heed the officials). It does not matter at all that one set of acts was mid-scrum and one was at the end. Hence, the example of the Crosby/Valabik incident which you may recall had many posters in the Silly.com days calling for a misconduct for Crosby. Ironically, that happened "mid-scrum" which, in your owns words, "the rest of the information about who did what to whom in the scrum beforehand is irrelevant."You want to pick and choose. I'm looking at the whole kit and kaboodle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 LOL. I'd like to see Hartnell's reaction to this comment."I do." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terp Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 @B21Now you're just being a tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B21 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 I@B21Now you're just being a tool.Not sure which post that is in reply to but I'll take it as we agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsippius Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Supposedly Rick Santorum has officiated a number of this kind of ceremony for friends and supporters in the porn library of his home.I bet he's got a clip of Crosby's nut punch from a couple years ago in that library Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 LOL. I'd like to see Hartnell's reaction to this comment.*CHOMP* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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