WingNut722 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 We spent about a couple days discussing whether Detroit should make a play for Tyler Myersl or Evander Kane before the trade deadline. Since those options are now officially up in smoke, are they any other interesting ideas out there? I read an article on the The Hockey Writers suggesting that Detroit should make a play for Phil Kessel and/or Cody Franson from Toronto. The Leafs are in free-fall right now, and new GM Brendan Shanahan may just be looking to jettison some of the talent in favor of rebuilding, all the while making a name for himself as the new savior of Leafs Nation. The suggested trade was for a slew (alright, almost all) our NHL ready prospects. If I remember right, and I'm too lazy to look it up again, but the suggested trade was to include Pulkkinen, Oullett, Mantha, Lashoff, and Kindl and a draft pick. That's a ton of young talent, with some established, yet mediocre blue-liners thrown in to add the illusion of a better deal. Still, having Kessell AND Franson would certainly add huge potential for a deep playoff run and make the already dangerous four lines of the Red Wings even more lethal. Not to mention the fact that both Franson and Kessel are two of those oh-so-important right hand shots, that the Wings so desperately need, particularly on the power play. But what about some other options. I'd hate to lose all those kids. Let's give them Lashoff, Kindl, and the draft pick, and keep Pulkkinen and Oullett. In exchange we'll throw in....Johan Franzen. I've never been a fan of this guy. Hes hot and cold, mostly cold, when he's playing. He skates like a dump truck, he's prone to concussion symptoms and his $5-million cap hit this season and next is like trying to drive your car with the parking brake on. Still, he's a well-established player, a big body, physical play, and an expert in front of the net. So here's the revised trade, in summary Detroit gets;R- Phil KesselD - Cody Franson Toronto getsR - Johan FranzenC - Joaquim AnderssonD - Jakub KindlD - Brian LashoffFirst Round Draft Pick(If squeezed you could throw Pulkkinen back in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 @WingNut722 I could just never, ever see this deal going down, no matter who Detroit sends back....a few reasons... I don't see Holland or Babber wanting these guys. They don't come close to playing "Wings hockey". 1)Kessel is owed 8 mill a year until the 21-22 season. That's a long time. Could you even imagine how utterly useless Kessel would be if he lost a step or two?? I don't see the Leafs paying Kessel more than Pavel....much less giving him a full 2 mill a season more than the gritty warrior Zetterberg. 2)Franson has one thing going for him, that booming slap shot from the point. That is *it*. He's glacially slow, gets beat to the outside on a regular basis, losses his man in the defensive zone as often as Grey has shades. He's a UFA this summer....and when he does sign his new deal, it will instantly be an albatross hanging around the neck of the GM that pays out the big bucks. In fact, I think he's a lock for 5-6 mill a year....and because teams are SO desperate for a pp qb with a big shot, I believe he will have the leverage for a 5-6 year deal. The Wings don't make deals like this, no way...no how. The Wings straight up demand strong play in all zones, and these two stiffs only play well in one zone, so not even close to a good fit. I also don't see the Wings paying Franson 1 to 2 mill a year more than Kronwall, it would throw their whole cap strategy out the window. The WIngs in particular are very careful about who gets paid the most on their team, it's an important part of the way they do business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 @WingNut722@jammer2 Yeah, no to Kessel, maybe to Franson. Our power play is the best in the league this year and has been all season, Franson would make it better, but 5 on 5 we are not what we should be. We need a defenseman, a real offensive d-man I would not be upset if we got Franson, tho I doubt Shanny trades him to us because, well the whole Wings/Shanny/Leafs thing. I cannot see Shanny wanting to give us a piece. I brought up awhile back that Jack Johnson would be a great fit, as long as he stays away from his parents. A good teammate, a power play specialist and a puck mover who never quits, holes in his game to be sure but his strengths are our weaknesses and visa versa. Columbus is out of it with a ton of young d-men demanding playing time, Johnson has been whispered to be shopped, i would LOVE to see him wearing the winged wheel. So Franson, okay, we could make it fit, but Shanny likely wont deal him to us anyway, and Johnson would be a better fit. That is where I would like to see us look. BTW I am appalled by what Tim Murray settled for when trading Myers. For Bogo and a banged up Kane he gave up Myers, a first, Lemieux, Armia, and Stafford while eating a bit over half of Staffords salary. Murray talked a good game about needing to get wowed in a deal for Myers and then did not get fiar market value, unless the goal is to finish dead last and get McDavid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeDDS Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 @yave1964Agree on Franson only, if anything. No way on Kessel for the salary reasons @jammer2 mentioned, we'll all of his reasons, actually. Interesting idea about Jack Johnson. I like it depending on what he costs, but might be a very nice fit. But will Columbus deal him to Detroit? Again anything is negotiable, but be careful the cost on the Detroit side. I think I like this idea better than the Franson one. Besides, Ken and Mickey are gonna be harder to follow if both Franzen and Franson are playing. It's bad enough when we play them now. :-)And on the Kane-Myers trade, definitely advantage Winnepeg. As loyal as most Sabres fans usually are, here's just another reason why they shouldn't be. Obviously pressure to do SOMEthing, rather than the RIGHT thing won.Winnepeg's gonna be an interesting team to play if they make the SCPs. I know they would not be my first choice of opponents if I was a WC team. Myers (and the rest of the team) looked pretty comfortable in their game against the Wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 @SpikeDDS @yave1964 @jammer2 All good points. Thanks for the insight, gents! This is why I don't play fantasy hockey.What about the flip-side of that issue - Franzen. Would you deal him? If so, for whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 @SpikeDDS @yave1964 @jammer2 All good points. Thanks for the insight, gents! This is why I don't play fantasy hockey.What about the flip-side of that issue - Franzen. Would you deal him? If so, for whom? Franzen is making 4 mill a year until 2020. The salary is pretty cheap for a 2nd line winger who scores more than 20 a year. He is injury prone at this point of his career and the years left on his deal may scare away some teams....but the respectable cap hit makes him tradeable. I could see a mid tier prospect and a 2nd round pick, with the Wings having to retain some of his salary...around 20%. If they retain no salary, maybe just a 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 @WingNut722 Franze, Franzen, lets see, do you mean the guy who they call the Mule who skates as if he is wearing combat boots on half melted ice who slows the offense down when he is on the ice and has watched the team speed pick up and the record as well with him out of the lineup? Do you mean the guy who is so slow that he can be timed with a sundial? Should we trade him? THAT is not the question. The question is can we trade him, with his long term contract and sadly the answer is no. I may be a bit unfair to him, @jammer2 mentioned his salary being very reasonable which is true, but the length on the deal kills any chance of dealing him. so we are stuck with a player who is hot and then cold and then colder, who clogs up the offense and has no defined role other than the power play and even there we have better options, a player from our glorious past who has no future with the team other than as an albatross. I don't see him as tradable unless someone like Florida simply needs salary and a name. He still has a nose for the net but no legs and a history of concussions that make him high risk at best. If we can deal him, I hope we do but Holland is loyal to his old fogies and while Franzen isn't quite old yet he is getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 @yave1964 Agreed, it's the years left that would be scary for some teams. That and the fact his skating will only get worse from here on out. He could be glacially slow in a few years. The only way I see it happening is if the Wings keep approx 25% of his salary. That might make some teams interested enough to pull the trigger. Of course, the Wade Redden thing looms large, no where to hide him if he fails miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikeDDS Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 @SpikeDDS @yave1964 @jammer2 All good points. Thanks for the insight, gents! This is why I don't play fantasy hockey.What about the flip-side of that issue - Franzen. Would you deal him? If so, for whom?Hossa! ;-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yave1964 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Hossa! ;-PAargh!!! Yep, we could only keep one, so lets keep Hossa. One of the worst decisions ever!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingNut722 Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 @WingNut722 Franze, Franzen, lets see, do you mean the guy who they call the Mule who skates as if he is wearing combat boots on half melted ice who slows the offense down when he is on the ice and has watched the team speed pick up and the record as well with him out of the lineup? Do you mean the guy who is so slow that he can be timed with a sundial? Should we trade him? Yep! That's the guy! Keeping Franzen's salary is one thing. After all, for right now, we have so many young guys who are killing it right now for pennies on the dollar. Obviously at some point Holland will have to make it worth their while. The problem is that once Franzen is declared healthy, Babcock will put him right back in the lineup, and it would likely be at the expense of Andersson. While that isn't the worst thing in the world because Andersson is not that hot of a goal scorer, he has some youthful speed and he is playing well with his 3rd or 4th line linemates to generate offense. Franzen would end up back on the second line and just slow up Zetterberg, Addelkader, Tatar, etc. THAT'S what concerns me the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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