SCFlyguy

8 hours ago, tucson83 said:

you dont get it, well, point to me who is the next joe sakic or steve y then? hextall? dubus? Treliving? Botterill? brad holland? none of these guys are clear upgrades, they havent won nothing. like i said if you want a cup gm, you have to hire that guy that did it and they are not easy to acquire. i mean whoever they hire it's going to be a question mark right now because there are no clear upgrades, so yeah if briere fails then you have to be patient for that guy, sorry but that's just the way it is in hockey. it's not easy to build a championship when there's a salary cap and the right players have to be there in fa or trades.

 

when there was no salary cap it was easy to build a championship because you can get stars for nothing, now it's harder with the salary cap because you have to rely on picks and spend on the right players. dont blame me, im just pointing out facts, blame the system by the nhl that made it harder.

You told us Fletcher had fixed our D when they acquired DeAngelo and Ristolainen.

Pardon us if we think you don't know anything about hockey.

Chicago is not taking Kevin Hayes without serious draft compensation attached to him.

The idea that the Flyers can retain $2.55M for Risto and suddenly he is a hot trade commodity is laughable.

Let's put it this way: if Risto was on another team, would you give up a pick to trade for him, even at half his salary (n.b. there are no longer 20th round picks)?

If your answer is yes, have you thought about applying for a front office job with the Flyers?  They are looking for people just like you.

14 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

He’s an asset in this sense (and only this sense): he’s a tradeable asset. Banking on him to help you lose…no offense intended but the less said about that idea the better.

No, let's talk about it.

Having to turn the team around quickly and shortsighted burning cap or assets to do it is a quick summary of the last 20 years of the team.  I'm not sure why you want to repeat that process.

Let the team crater naturally.  Let the bad contracts expire. Acquire assets for the future with the few trade chips you have (Konecny, Provorov, and maybe Hart).  That's not tanking, that's being smart.

Buying out Risto means you save cap space in the near term when the team is bad, and have a cap hit in later years when you hope the team is turned around and ready to compete.  That make zero sense to me.

Risto is actually an asset right now imo - he will make them draft higher than whoever replaces him.

5 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

haha that would be funny, right? I mean As If! 
 

but seriously @mojo1917 it isn’t Ristolainen’s salary or cap hit that makes him such a terrible defenseman - though of course I understand your point - but honestly even at league minimum as a 7th D-man he shouldn’t be part of the Flyers going forward. 
 

Guys have proposed moving TK and even Hart in service of the rebuild. That’s definitely one way to go but I think the most obviously deficient players like Hayes, Ristolainen and DeAngelo (who can skate btw ) need to go first. Prune the dead wood and then we can consider maximizing returns by trading some of the good players.

The point is, you trade TK or Hart, you're expecting a lot in return.  You trade Hayes, Ristolainen, or DeAngelo, you're giving up a lot to get rid of them.

Getting rid of Hayes, DeAngelo, and Risto is not a rebuild.  It's euthanasia.

Getting rid of Provorov and Konecny for picks/prospects, that is a rebuild.

4 hours ago, pilldoc said:

 

Not to be a downer ... I like your train of thought ....BUT....if you are Columbus are you really trading Sanheim for the #3 pick?  As it stands now #3 pick >>>>>> Sanheim.

 

If the shoe was on the other foot .....  we would crucify Briere if we had the #3 pick and traded it for Sanheim.  

 

Columbus is not trading that pick.   Only way Columbus is trading that pick is if it is our #7 overall + Sanheim + top prospect + a starter and even then they still may not trade it.

 

Appreciate the idea of trying to move up ...but it will cost way more than just Sanheim.

This would be the shortest phone call in history.

5 hours ago, pilldoc said:

“I know some are thinking, here they go again. Hiring two former Flyer players isn’t a fresh start,” he said. “Let me share with you that during the process, our goal was to hire the best candidates. It just happens that they’re former Flyers.”

This franchise is truly blessed to have such amazing candidates as former players.

They'll take their lumps for a season, but at the first sign of improvement they will jump on the most hyped and overpriced UFA they think will put them over the top.

22 minutes ago, CoachX said:

There isn't any possible way they could be "going" for anything. 

This has never stopped them.  They should have been rebuilding during the Hextall era.  They should have been been rebuilding in 21 when they should have realized (at the latest), that the Giroux era was never going to amount to anything.  They will find a way to go for it, trust me.

9 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

He's telling you to STFU!

 

 

Torts taking on the media and fans.  Always the smart play for the coach of a bad team.  Consistent with the rest of the organization: always think they are smarter than everyone else.

I hope Torts rents and not owns.

Game changing hit up 4-0, major for charging, same old, same old.

My guess is Torts is gone in under two years, followed by Briere in under four.  If Jones is smart and throws Briere under the bus, he might get to pick another GM before he gets let go.

OMG, we're yearning for the Zac Rinaldo days.  Seriously, seek help.

The idea that Danny Briere is a calculated guy is laughable.

He had little man syndrome on the ice.  Big bad guy took the puck from me, I gotta let him know by hooking him.

The guy was a mercenary.  Please.

1 hour ago, LegionOfDoom said:

Of all the candidates that interviewed, maybe only two, I would not be so hesitant with (Doug and Ray), This position is more a position of Architect, setting up your pieces for success.

Mr. Jones in all his endeavors has always done his homework, prepared himself to be able to do his job/s in all that he has touched.

I don't think he would of interviewed for the position, had he thought, he would not take it seriously and respect the broad breath of commitment this unification entails(the marriage of Hockey Operations and Business Operations, in one accord), this embarges(embarks).

The ability of this fanbase to just the swallow malignant $hit the org gives them still surprises me.

"Of all the candidates that interviewed" is half the problem.  They hired a GM with near-zero experience and compounded it by hiring his boss with even less experience.  I am extremely excited to watch "Mr. Jones" do his "homework" while on the job.

Something is happening, but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?

They deserve to watch from home like the rest of us with zero experience.

1 hour ago, GratefulFlyers said:

yeah this really doesn’t look good…for awhile there I was convinced the signs were clearly pointing to a new direction, a fresh approach….out with old in with the new. The Flyers were finally starting to do things different. Turns out…not so much.

I tried to tell you, but no, you had to follow "the signs".  Do you do tarot readings?

17 minutes ago, Howie58 said:

I think this duo deserves a chance. 

What does this even mean?  They have the jobs already.

2 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

I am willing to let Jonesy and Lil' Paul McCartney do their thing

What, be the third best player on every line they were on and take hooking penalties in the offensive zone, respectively?

The Flyers hiring a former Flyer is one of the most predictable developments and all the half-mumbled Danny Briere press conferences wasn't going to change it.

16 hours ago, CoachX said:

I think Jones empathizes with the fans. He hates that the team sucks. Maybe that would make it work

Clarke hates to lose more than any person alive.  This actually hurts him as an executive.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.