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The amount of concern I have for Maxime Talbot is roughly equal to the level of concern I have for every other human being on the planet.
The question for me isn't "why did this happen to poor Max?" - it's entirely "why does this seem to keep happening?"
i think you could probably find examples of players like this on every single team. I don't look at this as a problem particular to the Flyers. Look at Rick Nash on the Rangers. Look at Scott Gomez(wherever he is). There are players on every team that have dramatic turnarounds, for better and worse.
Look at yourself as well. It's only natural to give it your all when you start at a new place and then kinda relax a bit after you get comfortable. Long term performance needs motivation. Maybe you're not being motivated or pushed enough.... OR in the right way. Different people need different types of motivation.
I think the whole thing just makes sense... He maybe got too comfortable here and he wasn't responding to any type of motivation the Flyers had in place. Chief probably thought it better to try someone else. I just don't see this as a Flyers' problem. This is just the natural run of things when trying to build a team. They're trying to find the guys that respond to the same type of motivation.
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Sadly, I agree...I don't see a significant overhaul. IF nothing changes then we are looking at the same defense we had this year. Homer has really painted himself into a corner with all the dumb contracts he has handed out.
Agree...Niskanen will command alot of $$$$. He definitely would be an upgrade.
It will be hard to stomach another season with such a medicore defense as this. (If there are no changes)
I look at it one of 2 ways here. We either go for broke or we accept that we're rebuilding and bring up some green prospects. People get their panties in a bunch when suggesting bringing up Morin or Ghost. I say, bring them both up. F it. let 'em play out the season and get the experience. Take our lumps and let em learn. Re-sign Timo cheaply as possible. Hope Gus can step up and that GrossmanN can get and stay healthy. Accept that we're NOT winning a cup in 2015.
If we're not going to do that... then we need to drop some money. Niskanen can be had and all we have to do is sign him to another Homer contract™. Overpay now for the immediate upgrade and gamble of a solid D man for years to come. Go for Moulson or Vanek on the FA and try to make some moves for salary space. Gotta dump VLC and/or Hartnell. Get picks, get some low level prospects.. maybe even some pucks.
ORRR... make a big splash. Send Schenn, Ghost and VLC with cash to Nashville for Weber. Which option sounds more Flyers to you?
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Ghost is up to 180.........but have seen him play...kid is amazing in both ends of the ice...who really knows how high his ceiling is????
I 've never seen the Flyer ever have a prospect that has looked that good before making the Flyers ever....so i don't really want to trade Ghost before i even know what they have yet. He is a better offensive Dman than Streit right now and plays defense pretty damn good too.
Anton Stralman is 5' 11 190.
Erik Karlsson 6' 175
So he is big enogh to play in the NHL and there is no way to gauge heart which he has plenty of. Size is just a number
Ok, but didn't you say somewhere that there was NO way he would play in the NHL this year? sorry if i'm mistaken
Swap out L. Schenn for Ghost, and Florida might pick up the phone.
Swap our B. Schenn for Voracek and they'll take your call.
If the Panthers are giving up a potential franchise defender/forward (Ekblad/Bennett), they want impact top level roster players. The Schenns don't give them that. Voracek is a legitimate top line player, and Ghost has the potential to be a top pairing defenseman.
I found this trade idea....like i said not mine but i'm interested in it...what to do or anyone think.....good fair value or to much over pay and guts team to much...
To Florida:
B.Schenn
L.Schenn
Read
1st 2014
To Philly:
1st 2014
Dan Ellis
you're kidding right? it just has all the feeling of taking out the trash. so let's stick VLC in the deal in place of Read and retain some of his salary.
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If that is how he plays while suffering concussion symptoms, at the risk of sounding callous... keep him concussed. I thought he played great against the Rangers. He had a 1.97 goals-against average and a .939 save percentage. Something to keep in mind... when dealing with concussions, and the stigma/mystery that goes with them, it is not uncommon for everyday headaches due to stress and other issues to be "related" to the concussion even if it's really not. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but in defense of the medical staff, unless Mason were to say he'd had non-stop headaches from the game he was run over in onward, there's no reason to believe a headache is from the concussion.
Well, we all know that he embellished it and this 'news' of concussion is really all just a smokescreen to continue the storyline.
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Here's the NHL article on their new Concussion Protocol:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=556289
Here are the actual documents:
http://sportsdocuments.com/nhl-protocol-for-concussion-evaluation-and-management/
Here are the Google results for "concussion baseline":
The CDC recommendations for "return to play"
http://www.cdc.gov/concussion/headsup/return_to_play.html
And then there's this:
All well and terrific that Mason came back to play - and he played marvelously.
But that doesn't matter if, for example, he's unable to play next year because of it.
See: LaPerriere, Ian.
Since you brought up the Avalanche... Did anyone here see when Andre Benoit got toonced up against the glass and hit his head on the ice last series? He looked knocked out for a split second and had a slight Fencing reaction going on with his arm. Telltale signs of concussion.
He was back out next period and played the remainder. This is NOT just a Flyer org issue, obviously. Having had as many career ending concussions as the Flyers org has seen in the last 10 years, though, I would expect more precaution here. It is... disappointing.
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Hextall's first move is to recapture the magic from "his" Cup run in LA and trade for a couple experienced players to round out the Flyers' core.
I can see it now... "Richards and Carter Return to Philadelphia"
nothing should surprise Flyer's fans anymore... even that.
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If Homer steps down, is fired, or "reassigned" I don't care. What I want to know is how is Hextall any different? He's still one of the good old boys. And is it going to matter anyway? The old man has his finger prints all over just about every contract.
who the H knows what goes on behind closed doors in the Flyer's mgmt offices. we've speculated quite a bit that Snider is pulling the strings. he very well may be. but, one would have to think that bringing Hexy back into the fold after a successful cup run with LA... you'd have to think that part of the reasoning in bringing him back is to signal an acceptance to doing things a different way.
I would like to think that Hexy came back with an understanding that he'd eventually take over for Homey and run things HIS way. But, we'll probably never know either way.
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got it: 43-50 Million either way you cut it which is insane for VLC at this point of his career.
the fact that Tampa would need to give us something back too... remember, it would still be a TRADE. Money might be slightly better compared to the pre-buyout deal, and a more manageable cap hit, but they have to give the Flyer's *something*. I just can't see it being anything less than some good picks. I mean... since we're in Bizarro land, let's just trade them VLC for Vlad Namestnikov straight up.
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The theory is the Philadelphias and New Yorks of the league can afford to just write off a $40M mistake. It's absolutely NO different than flushing $40M down the toilet or setting it on fire. Think about that for a minute. Think of how many people are dying for a few bucks, and these teams can just pay tens of millions so someone will NOT play for them.
I doubt that Edmonton, Ottawa, Phoenix, New Jersey, etc can afford to make similar moves.
So that's why that rule exists: to prevent the rich teams from just tossing money into the fire to re-sign the same guy cheaper.
Jersey can.. Lou just gets the league to change the rules for him.
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I'm over him. I defended him before, but I'm done. I don't want anything to do with him. He looked brutal in the POs and off and on throughout the year.
well, the thing that is most maddening about him is that he still has some very good games. he's just extremely inconsistent and that is a problem, but what's the answer? maybe a change of venue is the right answer for him.
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And, even Tim Panaccio of the Comcast Stenographers Network notes the VLC problem
http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-philadelphia-flyers/flyers-have-big-questions-address-offseason
well... we all know Panach is a hack who gets all his material from this board. very sad, but, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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they should resign Callahan and laugh at the contract Homer put in front of VLC...
they should sign Callahan.
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Yeah.. apparently he accidentally spilled the beans on the Flyers by mentioning his headaches not subsiding until just before gm 4. oops.
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So in essense the Bolts would be paying VLC nearly 50M.... I am with you on this one Bak. It makes no sense to me.
here's the factor that i don't know much about. what is tampa's fan base like? VLC was a huge huge deal there for a long time. does having him return for 3 seasons put people in the seats? do those fans remember him fondly enough that a marketing campaign could be built around his return? the real money could start to even out if his name/face can drive attendance. i really don't know, though.
as for the flyers, at this point i think holmgren would take anything at all, berube would take even less.
I think it's an interesting idea.... in theory. Of course, one would wonder about such a move as soon as they bough him out. There are some players who's identity is one team. He's one of those types of players, but with the new economics, I firmly believe that is a bye gone era.
The only sense to this theory is an emotional one for the Tampa fans. I'm sure they'd love to have him back to finish his career there, but beyond that, the economics seem to make this move as close to impossible as it gets for me.
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because they thought they'd be getting a strong second line player who had won a cup to help with the development and transition of the team for a year. they were dead wrong, but when the deal was made, my only complaint was the length, i thought it a really good idea for the very short term. it totally wasn't, but hindsight and all.
edit: obviously, this is only a hunch/guess on my part. i'm 50-50 that it is what is going on. we'll see in a couple months.
this is NOT the most ridiculous theory you've had... which says a lot. however, If the bolts are still on the hook for $32.67 million on Vinny's buyout and now you think they will want to take on another $16.5m(in real money, not cap hit) for a player that is obviously entering the twilight years a tad early!? AND, presumably, they will have to give the Flyers *something* in return!? well, now we've entered the bizarro world. Florida could be a likely destination, however, Tampa is HIGHLY unlikely.
On the other side of the deal, I just can't see the Flyers letting go on an investment of that term for just some picks... unless they're high ones. I'm really *trying* to find the sense in this logic... but, seriously... I just can not see it. Help? anyone?
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IMHO, if they eat half his salary for the remaining years, someone makes that trade. I hated the signing, I hate the contract. I don't hate the player.
VLC played solidly until he hurt his back. Again, IMHO, he came back too early and never fully healed/recovered. Assuming he's healthy, someone can use him at $2 million/year.
If they trade him, and have 8 million in dead cap space the next 4 years, I think the heat on Homer gets significantly hotter. That move and the Bryz buyout would be almost $4 million/season for players NOT on the roster. Even Homer may not survive that.....
I think most of us here are probably ready for the Hextall experiment to begin. Maybe Homer will fall on his sword for us?
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I am going out on a limb here and predicting the following:
No one is going to want to take on VLC's contract (and yes, this might be Homers worst move ever) so the Flyers are stuck with him. I still have this sneaking suspicion that Homer will retain VLC and that B Schenn is traded. There is no proof and it is pure speculation but I can totally see Homer making himself believe that VLC's issues were related to being out of his natural position.
This is not what I want to happen but if I were a betting man I think VLC is here and Schenn (maybe both) are gone.
the only problem i have with this thought is this... Schenn has been sought after in rumored deals time after time. Reputable sources, at the time of the Weber offersheeting, mentioned Schenn as one of the main cogs desired by Nashville. The Flyers declined to trade Schenn then, so why would they agree to trade him now.
I realize it's 2 years later now, but Schenn is still young and I'm sure they had multiple chances to trade him since then. I really believe that Homer finally got on board with NOT trading away our youth a few years ago.
While what you are suggesting is completely possible and probably wouldn't surprise too many people... I just don't see it happening. I think our youth core is in tact for a few more years. Unless Poile reconsiders on Weber this summer ... then I think we could see a few pieces going that way and Schenn would be one to go. All doubtful.
My thought is that the Flyers try to deal VLC this summer with the offer of retaining cash on the deal. There are teams that would love to have him at center at a reduced price. What we can expect back is probably not much. Some lower round picks and maybe a gamble prospect.
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I thought Couturier was horrendous this series, he was weak on the puck and way, way too cute with it in our zone.
I think there is a place for Scott Hartnell on my team, he's just not able to skate with Jake and G , for me a priority this offseason is to find a winger for the top line, I'm great with Simmer Schenn and Hartnell on the second line they're big , and play heavy... i think in that role we's all like 19 a lot better, he still got 20/30 which is fine for me.
I also think there needs to be a trade and a signing to upgrade our defense. now does that include a Schenn or MacDonald, or Couturier ? if the piece coming back is awesome, then 'd be okay with it, I'm talking an legit top pairing guy , and try to pry Niskanen from Pgh. That will be tough given it's going across the state to the hated rival, but they are deep with prospects and won't want to pay him...i can feel it in the force.
i have to say i'm not all "they suck" and " this sucks" , my expectations for this group have been met and exceeded. If they can be allowed to grow as a group i'd be okay with what we have with an addition or two to the blue line.
I do think this playoff series cemented the fact that we need a top line winger, and to get more mobile with our defense. if MacDonald and Coburn are playing mid pairing minutes we'll like them a lot better. just like Hartnell.
Maybe not as tough as you might think. Nisk is UFA this summer. They need to re-sign Orpik and/or Nisk. but look at the holes at fwd if they sign both!? They really can't sign both if Nisk is offered around $5m AAV.
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<grunch= haven't read most of the thread>
I'm gonna go after Matt Moulson in FA to wing our Top line. $5m AAV-ish? Only other F moves are to re-sign Akeson to short deal $900k? Schenn re-sign short as possible for about $2m AAV. All other's walk.
VLC or Hartnell need to go. One of them has to go to make my moves. I'm letting Timo retire(or whatever) and bringing up Ghost. I'm totally gonna dick over Pitt by overpaying for Niskanen. I think he'd be a good $$$ gamble though. $5m for Nisk. btw, Pitt is in for a world of hurt after this season with all their $$ committed and UFA's, just to fill the F position will be interesting. They can't afford Orpik AND Niskanen, IMO... so we 'steal' Nisk by offering more than Pitt can afford. Worst case, he signs somewhere else for more money.. either way... Pitt can't keep him. IF that plan fails, I beg Timo for one more year at $2.5m and have Hagg on a 2-way(if not already? if possible?) I'm also re-signing Gus to a short-term $1.5 AAV.
Re-sign Emery to backup Mason. He made $1.65m last year, would he take about the same amount? If not, Vokoun is UFA and could probably be had for about $1.5m? maybe?
This has us under the cap by almost $3m after LTIR Prongs.
Lines are as follows:
F
M.Moulson($5m), G($8.275m), Vor($4.25m)
Hartnell($4.75m), Schenn($2m), Simmer($3.975m)
Raffl($1.1m), Cooter($1.75m), Read($3.625m)
Rino($750k), Laughton($863k), Akeson($900k)
= about $37.25m cap hit for 2015
D
Streit($5.25m), MacD($5m)
Schenn($3.6m), Niskanen($5m)
GrossmanN($3.5m), Ghost/Gus($925k/$1.5m)
= about $25m cap hit for 2015
G
Mason($4.1m), Emery$1.85m)
= about $6m
total: $68.25m for 21 players with Prongs on LTIR
of course… i'm dreaming out loud here.
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Hopefully This Series Has Convinced Most Of What I've Been Saying.Doughburn Blows. Are We Waiting For Him To Get Better? He makes Rookie Mistakes Almost Every Game. I Started A Post Earlier This Year About Trading Him To Edmonton For Eberle. Im Not Sure That's The Answer But He's Gotta Go. He Can Take Hartnell And B Schenn With Him. I Haven't Looked At His Final Playoff Stats But I'll BetThey Are Terrible.
Doughburn was Doughburn.... INCONSISTENT. He had a few really good showings and then he had... last night. He was god awful and there's no way around acknowledging that. It wouldn't be as devastating if he weren't one of our #1, #2 guys. That is the real problem... we're supremely shallow on D. Some young guys are really gonna get a good look to get into the big leagues this summer.
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Amazing analysis. Thank you for your 2 weeks of service as a fan of the Flyers. See you next Spring.
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I'm not really concerned about the money. I mean, first of all, it's not my money so what do I care?
My problem is at the salary and the completely shitty performance they cannot move him which likely means we're stuck with him taking up a roster spot for someone--anyone--who would likely be more productive just by being conscious. VLC can go on safari with Downie for all I care. I never had a problem with him in Tampa but there is a glaring reason why Tampa used their buyout on him. Holmgren should be shot for that contract.
I think the VLC signing was a bad move for a very specific reason. They brought another C in when they had the intention of grooming Schenn as the 2nd line C all along. WTF is that plan? Not a good one... plain and simple.
I'm less inclined to blame VLC for a bad year because it's not the player's job to change position on command and perform. He's been a C all his career, it's clearly the Flyer's fault for moving him to W and expect him to succeed.... just because that's where they need him. He never complained and he accepted his role. When he was moved back to C, his play improved. This one's on the Flyer's management.
As well, he had a fractured back early in the year. I think this has hampered him a great deal. Not to make excuses for him, he needs to be better, but he moved to a new team... started slowly and then had a serious back injury. I thought his play really improved toward the end of the season when he was moved back to his natural C position. I think his back issues have possibly hindered him all year.
As for the playoffs... I didn't like that he was switched back to W for a good portion and he clearly didn't respond to that well. I would have liked to see more from him in the playoffs, but that can be said about every single player on the team... except for Mason.
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I'm gonna take a different road here. I know it's satisfying to place blame for this and that, but I don't blame anyone, individual) for the loss. Players could have played better and things could have gone differently, but it was never within the realm of realistic probability, or reason, this team was going to sincerely compete for the cup this year.
I'm disappointed as anyone they didn't make it past the first round, but against a superior Rangers team, they held their own pretty well. Gm 7s are special. That experience will carry us one day. Hopefully in the next couple of years we can look back on this and say it was a turning point for this group. We're a fairly young team.
Sure, you can place some blame at the feet of Homer and Snider, but if you step back and compare... we're better off with those 2 than most other teams in the league. They've made mistakes, of course, but they have their eye on the ultimate prize and no amount of money(under the cap system) will stop them from trying to ice the best product. We're lucky to have that.
Am I happy with VLC? no. Am I happy with Schenns? no. Do I want to FIRE ALL THE THINGS!!?? nope. I think it's pretty obvious that the major weakness of this team is the D. Pronger left a gaping hole that will take a loooonggg time to recover from. There's some blame for deals gone wrong, but that was just a huge stinkin bad luck pill to swallow.
We're still swallowing it.... but.. at least there's hope. We FINALLY have a true #1 goalie who could have carried us to the promise land IF there weren't the glaring stench of our poor D squad.
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great honor for G and the Flyers. we all know Mario has a handshake deal in place and it's already on Crosby's mantle though.
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I think people here are failing to see the genius of these crazy contracts. We sign these guys to crazy long-term contracts and then get other teams to take them over. It's genius... we're screwing other teams salary caps. Just take a look at the Kings and the problem they now have with the Richards contract. He's 'under-performing' and they're gonna need cap relief.
I'm totally kidding, but now reading what I wrote... maybe i'm not. lol.