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They point out the Coyotes Legends who never played for the team Hossa - Datsuyk - Little Weber - Pronger

Well, he was five years in Columbus where he took the 8th place team in the Metropolitan, got them to the playoffs, won a round, and left as the coach of the... 8th place team in the Central.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl-coyotes-shea-weber-contract-vegas-golden-knights-dysin-mayo-013339627.html Back in the beforetime (2012), then-Flyers General Manager Paul Holmgren offered Predators RFA Shea Weber a 14 year contract just before the CBA was amended to stop these kind of cap shenanigans. Predators General Manager "had to match" the offer, got four years out of Weber and traded him to Montreal. The Habs got parts of five seasons out of him and he dragged them to the Cup Final despite a raft of injuries that subsequently sidelined him. He hasn't played since 2021. His contract went to Vegas for Dadonov, because Weber on IR was a better cap move than Dadonov on the ice. And now it resides in the desert, with the Arizona Salary Dump. The Coyotes traded a player to get the contract and a fifth rounder. They will pay $1M a year for the next three years to get $7.4M a year in credit on the cap and be the second team to have the player not play for them. And the Holmgren legacy lives on.

So call me maybe?

Well, it was COVID, and then the injuries, or the injuries, and then COVID and then the injuries, and then I ran out of gas! I got a flat tire! I didn’t have change for cab fare! I lost my tux at the cleaners! I locked my keys in the car! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT'S NOT CHUCK'S FAULT! HE SWEARS TO GOD! "General Manager of the last Flyers club to win a playoff round" #legendary

You may have that reversed. What has Felix ever shown, well, ever?

I'm all for dealing him. Worried that the "may go back to Russia" aspect doesn't affect his value. Not to mention the whole "Chuck Fletcher" aspect of things.

I mean, look at what he's done for Ottawa.

Have to check the Hall of Fame.

I'm not sure that "value" is the same. When you go into a game "knowing" that the fight will happen is it the same as a response to a provocation? You don't want a Kurtis McDermid (0 shifts in the playoffs for COL last year) you want a Patrick Maroon who can also skate a reasonable shift (23 playoff games for Tampa the year before). Deslauries getting in staged fights for teams going nowhere helps no one.

That wasn't his run. The Shift was two years later. They committed an entire decade because of one shift after trading two guys they committed an entire decade to after exhaustively researching everything about them. No, really. Well, OK, because committing the future of the franchise to a 34 year old defenceman didn't work out. No, really. #legendary #halloffame

Two guys on teams going nowhere risking permanent head trauma for... I'm all for keeping fighting in the game. Goons facing off in literally meaningless games is stupid.

The problem is that - yes - the Flyers have a nice group of young players. But they also have three seasons committed to guys who are in the way. If this year doesn't show that many expensive veteran guys aren't worth keeping solely in the interests of some lunatic "spend to the cap" maxim then I don't know what does. The team doesn't NEED Atkinson/Ellis - or even Couturier, Provorov, and... Sanheim!?!? "Laughts" can be the $3M transitional captain and "Catsey" can be the first line center and they can clear out a bunch of dead wood and cap space and set a foundation upon which to build instead of continually trying to "compete for a Stanley Cup." Stop planning to compete for one. Start planning to win the bloody thing. As it is they are the same bubbling middling "definitely a playoff team" they've been for ten freaking years.

I've never said that. I've said that the problem is that the team can go on like this - a bubbling, middling, .500 level could be a playoff team for an indefinite period of time. How do we know this? We've been watching it in real time for ten years. Trading Voracek for Atkinson, Gotstobethere for Ristolainen, is swapping deck chairs. Travis Konecny is 25. He's in his seventh season - no, really. He's been to the playoffs twice. And the team next year has $75 Million Dollars committed to players who have achieved absolutely nothing in their careers - $52M of that for the next three seasons. Add $6.25M for Ellis. Who at least had a pedigree. The answer is not "add another pricey free agent" - primarily because they can't - it's embark on an actual, rational, reality-based rebuild of the organization like the Rangers and Devils did. You know, the two teams in playoff position right now with a young core making moves to take the next step (Tarasenko). The Flyers are sitting in exactly the same place they've been for over a decade and trying the same "retool" approach. You bring up the Hurricanes - their young core is almost entirely drafted. They added Teravainen in his third year. They "went for it" with Pacioretty and Staal and have "a shot". They also have $29 Million in CAP SPACE next year while the Flyers have $8M. The differences between "successful" organizations in this league and the Flyers are obvious.

Holy ****,

It was a time of legends that shall enchant future generations with the tales of their deeds for time immemorial. Honestly Giroux was considered "Top 3" in the NHL in Philadelphia for a hot second. He was truly a lovely supporting player who could have been part of a potentially legendary crew has the organization* not "won the trades" and forced him into two positions to which he was I'll suited. He was the late first round "hit" you often need to supplement the top picks and the fools who dedicated the future decade of the franchise to two players they lost faith in less than a year later stuck him on OJT as a first line center and captain in the NHL. I don't miss Giroux because the dottering fools who ruined his career and the franchise are STILL HERE.

It's almost like Dave Hackstol wasn't "the problem"

You're not "a liar" you're just "wrong". Boston won the Cup in 2011 which is 12 years ago (comment was "ten") but we'll go with this year's squad: Boston - Pastrnak, Bergeron, McAvoy, Marchand 2011 Kings - Doughty, Kopitar, Clifford, Brown, Voynov 2019 Blues - Tarasenko, Perron, Pietrangelo, Schwartz, Dunn You don't start with a bunch of 28-33 year olds and ADD youth to that, you start with the youth and then ADD the O'Reilly, Schenn, Bozak (or Crater/Richards). But it's the folly of looking at the past eight Cups and finding one that might fit the scenario, which it doesn't, and basing the entire strategy on that occurrance. It's like looking at 2010 and thinking "the Flyers are really just thisclose!" and instead they are the 2011 Vancouver Canucks, the 2012 New Jersey Devils, the 2014 Rangers, the 2016 Sharks and 2017 Predators. Teams that "made the Final" and then receded from memory...

Still trying to figure out how, after ten years of #legendary leadership of "definitely a playoff team" the culture of the organization was so totally and utterly destroyed it needed to be rebuilt by an outside guy picked by a group outside the organization. It's so weird.

His "claim to fame," as it were, is drafting Kaprizov. He didn't actually, you know, sign Kaprizov. But he did take a fifth round flier on a guy who "wasn't interested in North America." And then signed with Bill Guerin. Four years later.

Do you mean Vejmelka? Vejdemo is a swedish forward owned by the Habs, playing in Sweden...

Right. Now it's your credit rating and ability to afford to eat, have transportation, and housing. LOL

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