jammer2

7 hours ago, radoran said:

 

He's been a 60 point second line center. That's not "sucked."

 

The point is that he's not a difference maker. The Kings paid for and paid him like he's a difference maker.

 

Those sorts of deals can be an anchor for years. See: Voracek, Jake.

 

The point that MONTREAL dropped out of the bidding is truly telling.

 

OK...sucked may have been a tad off, but overrated, that is dead on. Plus, everyone "knew" he was not worth that kind of term or cap hit. The guy is flat out uninspiring. 

9 hours ago, JR Ewing said:

 

Brandon Saad, and he's a textbook case.

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/brandon-saad

Saad's a good one, but was thinking of Bryan Bickell. The power forward who never got back on track after the playoff run and subsequent 4 year contract....lol.

3 hours ago, JR Ewing said:

 

I have a list of hockey rules of thumb from over the years... Some are talked about all the time in the media, hockey circles, etc, and others aren't. You know: build from the middle and out, don't be scared to draft skinny kids, etc. There are two that apply well here:

 

-Identify your core players under 30, lock them up, and be prepared to mercilessly shed/deal anybody not in that core when the time comes.

-Never sign a non-core member over the age of 30 to anything more than a 1-year deal.

 

These are obviously not rules that Brad Treliving and a bunch of other GMs live by, but I'll take the Pepsi challenge with them anyway. I like Kadri, but he was way too old for that contract, and the Flames are paying for production he won't match again.

 

Looking over in the direction of Joe Sakic, we see a guy who shares my opinion about that situation, even being prepared to cut bait after winning a Stanley Cup. Nazem Kadri played big minutes for the Avs in 2022, and was a key member of that Cup win. Sakic was smart to not over-pay for that and didn't re-sign him, which would have cut into what needs to be devoted to his core. He did the same thing with Darcy Kuemper.

 

Bring them back for pre-game ceremonies in their 40s and 50s, but never lock them up long-term in their 30s.

 

 

 

There is a nice list of players that made out like bandits after outrageously great playoffs. They play out of their minds for 4 rounds and put up stats that they previously had not seemed capable of. Who was that guy for Chicago a few years back, his name escapes me, but he's a prime example. 

1 hour ago, thegx.ca said:

For me even if these bets/risks don't end up well in my opinion it was still the best move/trade to make for Calgary since not signing anyone and keeping Monahan is the wrong move I think...also yeah we'll see how Kadri declines but I'm thinking he'll still be effective into old age...

 

As for Calgary going from 1st to crap after Sutter won coach of the year that's nobody fault but Gaudreau because if Gaudreau doesn't choose to leave Tkachuk and the rest don't leave either they all try another year with Calgary at least hoping at a shot at the Cup...

On 3 years Calgary will be giving up assets to trade Kadri or doing the math on a buy out. 

2 hours ago, JR Ewing said:

 

I think they're a good team, but reallllly think that Adam Foote did long term harm to the middle of the roster with the Pierre-Luc Dubois trade and sign. I thought and think that it was indescribably bad. When Montreal backs out of a bidding war for a Quebec-born player, you know you've gone too far.

 

Incredibly, everyone KNEW PLD sucked...except the Kings. GM's have been fired for less. 

3 hours ago, thegx.ca said:

Gotta remember Calgary needed cap space to get Kadri at the time so it was either don't get Kadri or get him and pay to off load contracts...in this case I think it looks good for Treliving since he accomplished the goal of improving the team plus at the time nobody wanted Monahan so bottom line it was really was either don't get Kadri and I think Treliving made right choice to get Kadri Calgary needed him badly...as much as I love Monahan getting Kadri made it all better...

Well, Monahan is younger, has 4 less pts than Kadri and is not signed till 38 yrs old at 7 mill per. Lets face it, Kadri got paid large for that awesome playoff run...

Trevling actually hurt the Flames by signing Kadri. 

Trade Peterson back...he knows the system 

Sorry...1st and future 3rd is a massive overpay. I swore the Habs would get a 2nd...tops. The fact Monahan is a UFA after this season makes it far worse. 

 Calgary gives up a 1st to unload him on Montreal...Montreal gets a 1st and 3rd to trade him....if he signs with Montreal next summer and the process is repeated ....wow....just wow. 

 This makes the Trevling lead  Flames look real bad. 

This deal seems prudent from both sides. From a Vancouver perspective, they are tied for 1st overall with Boston at 71 pts. One of THE hardest decisions a GM has to make is when is the time to go all in. When your team is in 1st, backed by supremely efficient goaltending, I can't blame them for adding the cherry on top here. This fan base is starving for a Cup, having never won. Kuzmenko may indeed be addition by subtraction, these soft types get eaten alive in the playoffs where you have to fight for every inch of ice. The 1st rd pick may very well be 31st or 32nd overall....not a huge loss, all things considered. The kid from the O looks like the biggest loss here...but gotta give to get, huh?

 The Flames did well, considering they were under the same gun barrel as Gaudreau and Tkachuk....this outcome should be better...can it be worse? Doubt it...lol. 

Smart of Vancouver to load up for this run from where I sit, even if it means losing Lindholm as a UFA next year. Not really a time to sit back and hope you have the horses to win, especially considering other GMs in the West WILL be loading up. 

On 1/31/2024 at 8:56 AM, Molly Bell said:

There was a 16 year intoxicated girl raped by Ben Johnson of the Windsor Spitfires in a bathroom stall. They were both underage in a bar. The NJD dropped his contract when he was charged and he was found guilty. 

I remember it well. Ben ended up doing a bit of time.

13 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I really don't want to move York right now but how high we talking moving all that?

A move up 10-14 spots to get your pick of the litter of Center prospects not named Macklin. 

5 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

If you're talking about moving that to get the #1 pick Macklin Celebrini, where do I sign? He's a legit 2 way #1.

 

But unless Chuck Fletcher is  GM of whoever wins the lottery, you're not getting that pick. If it's to get Lindstrom, how high do you need to go to get him? That's about it for potential #1 centres in this defence heavy draft. Maybe Catton?

I realize #1 is not on the table. I know Lindstrom and Catton only by short blurbs I've read. I have sunk all my time studying the NFL upcoming draft of late....so a tad out of touch.  I guess it would depend on how Jones and Flyer head scouts feel about those 2 prospects. 

 The reason I mentioned this whole thing is the obvious hole at 1C and the fact we won't have the draft capital necessary to fill the hole without outside the box thinking. It just seems like a crossroads time with York. How does the org view him, how do other GMs view him...what does the RFA deal look like? There is a real chance Zamula can replace Yorks playing time and supply the same type of offensive output. Like I said...just throwing it out there for debate. 

OK...what if I type about a prospect(s) that could potentially become a Flyer? 

Trade proposal...

Cam York, The Flyers 1st round pick and Hans Gruber (lol) for a move up into the early first round to select our 1C of the future.

Reasoning: I know 23 year old Dmen are not finished products...but my gut tells me what you see is what you get. He's not ever gonna be a prolific scorer, and he was drafted to run the power play. Cam is just very average in most aspects of play. Is he, or will he ever be a cornerstone piece? 

  Is he a legit top 4 Dman? With looming RFA status next season, what does his new deal look like? Do the pieces exist to push him out of the top 4? Will another team deem him valuable? 

  The Flyers obviously need a future 1C. Does that beast exist in this draft? Is this package enough to move up to get him? Flyers don't suck...so if we are to secure a top Center, some outside the box thinking is needed. 

  I know, more questions than answers in this post.... but just thought I'd toss the idea out there. 

On 1/27/2024 at 12:53 PM, JR Ewing said:

So, I'm pretty much in line with others around here. The salary is more than fair, but I think the term runs about three years too long. He provides a combination of high level offense and abysmal defense, but it's much harder to find guys to put the puck in the net than anything else. Generally speaking, I'm usually a bit leery of when guys find a big bump in their scoring, but he's not being zoomed by a high shooting percentage, so it seems repeatable to me. If he loses his wheels before the contract ends, it won't be pretty out there.

 

 

 

 

@jammer2 I'm not sure if I agree with the article comparing Owen Tippett and Nugent-Hopkins. I understand that they're not comparing stylistically speaking, but rather in terms of production. Offense has gone up a fair bit since RNH was Tippett's age. That year, he was 73rd in points-per-game and +10 on a team that gave up more than they scored. Tippett is 117th in points-per-game and-3 on a team with a positive goal differential.

 

 

Some fair comps for Tippett....

Currently hes Lawson Crouse with less snarl and more speed. 

The player the Flyers HOPE he grows into...that would be Kreider. To approach Kreiders offensive output a few key things have to happen. 

1)Flyers badly need a young dynamic #1 Center.

2)He needs to work on his craft enough where he worms his way on to the #1 line and the #1 pp...in order to be exposed to the #1 Center that does not yet exist. 

On 1/27/2024 at 12:53 PM, JR Ewing said:

So, I'm pretty much in line with others around here. The salary is more than fair, but I think the term runs about three years too long. He provides a combination of high level offense and abysmal defense, but it's much harder to find guys to put the puck in the net than anything else. Generally speaking, I'm usually a bit leery of when guys find a big bump in their scoring, but he's not being zoomed by a high shooting percentage, so it seems repeatable to me. If he loses his wheels before the contract ends, it won't be pretty out there.

 

 

 

 

@jammer2 I'm not sure if I agree with the article comparing Owen Tippett and Nugent-Hopkins. I understand that they're not comparing stylistically speaking, but rather in terms of production. Offense has gone up a fair bit since RNH was Tippett's age. That year, he was 73rd in points-per-game and +10 on a team that gave up more than they scored. Tippett is 117th in points-per-game and-3 on a team with a positive goal differential.

 

 

I think the jist of it was both promising young players with room to grow. Tippett is never going to approach the output RNH has grown into. The approximately 2.5% difference in total cap space kinda reflects that. In the end, they could have found a young goal scoring power forward to more accurately compare him to. I think Tippetts floor is 30/30 and ceiling could be 45/35....depending on pp deployment. 

@Golf clubs....you reap what you sow.

So, you're the actual GM, but you did not inquire whatsoever? No need to construct a workable time-line? In the middle of a playoff push/rebuild the need to get details didn't arise? Pfffft ...I would have respected no comment much more.

Nobody believes this nonsense. Let me play it back so I can see how you look when lying...lol. Danny lost some credibility there. Admittedly a tough topic to slug through, but did not come out selling like roses. 

37 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

I'm glad they got Drysdale out of it, then.

 

#silverlining

 

Things do start to fall into place.

 

Shutting down social media.

 

Erratic play.

 

It's almost like he knew something was coming.

 

His lawyers say he didn't do it and I'll go with innocent until proven guilty, but there's going to be a reckoning here somewhere, sometime, and probably soon.

 

That said - and the public line is probably not true - the whole concept that they've never in any way shape or form ever talked to him about anything having to do with this situation seems borderline irresponsible.

 

THAT said, he was drafted two years before this happened.

As far as I can see, the reckoning comes February 5th. That's the date London Police have scheduled a press conference to discuss the matter to the media. 

 There is supposedly video of the female in question stating it was consensual. Not sure how much that matters really...under duress etc. 

 I do know dont usually bring charges in cases like this if its a "he said, she said" kinda thing, especially knowing how effective multi million dollar lawyers can be. Wasting the Courts time, when its questionable whether a conviction can be acquired is a real thing. If they proceed, they indeed have some respectable evidence. Not sure how much the video shows, but it will tell who was present...maybe. 

Pure speculation on my part, no one has mentioned it, BUT could this whole **** show be  the main reason why Cutter did not want to play here??

 More pure speculation...but IF that was Cutters reason...could it have nothing to do with Harts guilt or innocence, but rather the Flyers attitude towards the investigation? 

Dont shoot the messenger....just throwing it out there. When you really think about it, a mess like this would not be casually thrown around as a reason to not want to play for a team. It would be guarded and shrouded in secrecy. Kinda makes sense when you think about it....

6 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

It does make a difference because there's at least plausible light between the two. Time will tell if it's a tangible difference.

It could just be an odd coincidence. The other side of the coin is Hart HAS had some recurring health issues...we shall see. 

9 minutes ago, mkscrewy said:

Was this guy team Canada also?

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nhl/news/flames-forward-dillon-dube-goes-on-indefinite-leave-to-attend-to-mental-health

Yep...he was indeed on the 2018 team with Carter...

My 1st question...does this have anything to do with the world jrs investigation?

17 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

Ristolainen is already expendable.

 

Nobody is buying.

 

Yeah, just to many years left on that deal. If it hasn't already come up, Danny will have to weigh retaining salary ( for multiple years?) against the returning assets. Problem is, only contenders would be interested, who are already against the cap. Taking on a bad contract AND salary retention means the return would have to be outstanding. 

What is really needed is a desperate GM trying to save his job and multiple injuries to the interested teams blueline...and the top 3 or 4 dmen at the deadline being moved in a flurry of activity.

Its a long winded way of saying *(barring the baby Jesus intervening), we are stuck with Chucks crap. 

14 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

 

Because of this...?

 

 

I've watched most of the games this year and I don't see some one-dimensional zipperhead who has a low hockey IQ. Maybe that was Tippett in the O, in FL maybe even last year with the Flyers. It's not him now at least I sure don't see it. He's got enough assists to put the lie to the whole "he can't use his line mates" rap. Not a ton but enough...enough for a "shoot-first" type anyway.

 

Granted it's hard to evaluate from watching on TV. When I see the Flyers in a few weeks maybe I'll change my tune. Until then I can't help think Jeez we finally get a pure goal scorer and it's like "this guy sucks he only shoots to score goals, man he sucks." 

 

(yes yes nobody said "he sucks" - the knocks on his game amount to the same thing)

 

If he really was playing a selfish, tunnel-vision, early Ovechkin type of game, a guy who never backchecks, who cherrypicks every other shift I'd join the RUN HIM OUTTA TOWN committee tonight. But I don't see that type of player in Tippett. Even watching on TV that much is obvious. He's a goal scorer and I for one am damn glad we finally got one. ...a SpinORama...too much!

 

 

 

I guess Danny and Jones will settle this...one way or another.