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On 1/18/2024 at 7:27 PM, JR Ewing said:

 

Between the two I'd move Seeler, but mainly because he's batting so far over .500 this year that a GM might be willing to over-pay.

 

 

Tippett is fast and has a powerful shot, but as @flyercanuck said, his tunnel vision has been the book on him dating back to his days in the OHL. Guys who don't see and make use of their teammates just aren't the type who can make their teammates better, and tend to be complimentary players.

 

 

He doesn't have the vision or the IQ to keep up with his feet, imo.

If Tippett wants 6 mill on a multi year deal, hes getting traded. Thing is, I can't see his agent NOT asking for that. Its in and around the going rate for a youngish 2nd line winger that can score. If I'm Danny, I'm not investing. A few reasons...

1) Just because its the going rate does not mean it fits the Flyers situation. The Flyers are in a spot where they cannot, under any circumstances, miss on a long term deal. This has a chance to miss. 

2) One dimensional players often struggle in the playoffs. Teams game plan and take away that dimension. The fact his thing is speed makes it harder to take away, but I've seen it done. Knowing he won't properly utilize teammates makes it even easier. 

3) Hockey IQ matters...it separates average from elite. 

5 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

I've watched a few and been to some. Going again Sunday and to see the Jets in February.

 

The real danger remains of being just good enough to remain just good enough.

 

 

Winning regular season games is one thing.

 

Winning playoff series is something else.

 

 

Absolutely the exceptions proving the rule.

 

You can get productive players in later rounds no doubt.

 

Banking on late first rounders and guys every other GM passed on at least once isn't a recipe for long term success.

It is indeed a crap shoot. There IS an obvious co-relation to the players FC listed though. That would be the upper echelon teams that picked them. With a hard cap firmly in place, smart teams will pile the money into uncapped areas, like coaching and scouting. Tampa Bay, Boston, Carolina, Pittsburgh (not this year, but you know what I mean), all successful franchises who hire competent scouts...and lots of them. 

Now the turd is basically calling Danny and Jones liars...dig that hole a little deeper douche!!

On 1/9/2024 at 3:05 PM, flyercanuck said:

 

How do we know? Cause beasts don't usually refuse to take calls from the team that used a very valuable draft pick on them. Time will tell, but I won't be surprised one bit if he's one of those guys who plays great every time his contract is up, and can't be bothered the rest of the time. 

I predict the heart and work ethic of JVR with a bit of frosty tips mixed in. I think Anthony Mantha will eventually be a nice comp. 

On 1/9/2024 at 12:54 PM, OccamsRazor said:

 

Once again an assumption/opinion noone can prove which I won't argue it agree to disagree.

 

And I approve of what they did maybe this was the best return they could but you'll never know if you don't ask anyone.

 

Assumption.

You do realize waiting could turn catastrophically bad for the Flyers. It would be a dangerous and franchise altering miscue. Tack on just 6 more months and the offers don't go down...they stop and in 1.5 years he goes to the highest bidder. 

  What more would you stand to gain? A mid level prospect? Another 2nd rd pick? There HAS to be some risk assessment tied to waiting it out...no? 

 How about this angle...if Cutter escapes with no return, Jones and Danny are 100% fired. You willing to risk the entire rebuild AND your multi million dollar job to get another 2nd rd pick? 

On 1/9/2024 at 10:16 AM, mojo1917 said:

you wouldn't talk to the guy who drafted the kid?

I'm sure they talked with Pat about the kid, he's doing the deal, I'm glad they did some extra vetting.

If Bob Murray has a relationship with the player as well, why not get his input?

 

Going one step further...it would be unprofessional to NOT speak to the guy who drafted him.

On 1/9/2024 at 8:52 AM, darthbal said:

I guess that is what happens when you select a guy that was a die hard Pens fan.

Chucky should have known that; and that he would never suit up for the team he grew up hating.

Glad DB got something in return. Now Drysdale just need to stay healthy.

Then why say he wanted to be a Flyer, even stating he was made to be a Flyer?? Even for a 19 year old, its unmanly, immature and cowardly. If you feel THAT strongly about your love of Mario and Crosby *(beyond gross)...MAN UP AND SAY IT!!

This is trailer park crap at its finest!

On 1/9/2024 at 9:43 AM, JR Ewing said:

-IF Drysdale can stay healthy (and that's a very fair question at this stage of the game) then Briere has picked up a wonderful prospect with legit 1st-pairing potential.

 

-Sublime skater who distributes well, who would be a big help to the power-play.

 

-Injuries are an issue.

 

-When Drysdale was sitting on the bench, the Ducks get only 39% of the goals. When he's on the ice it's 51% of the goal share. Right now, without factoring in development, he's a player.

 

-He's been hurt a lot so far in his career.

 

-Drysdale's has been paired up mostly with Cam Fowler and, to a lesser extent, Jackson LaCombe. Both had major improvements playing with Drysdale, compared to when they played without him.

 

Scoring Chances with and without Jamie Drysdale

Fowler - with: 42.6%, without: 39.6%

LaCombe - 43.6%, without: 33.8%

 

-Oh, and injuries are an issue.

 

-Either way, I think Briere has made a strong gamble.

Love these stats. Its fair to guesstimate whoever Drys is paired with will experience the same uptick. I have no doubt in my mind Danny and Jones poured over this stat among others. That is the pure beauty of this deal...its tangible...you dont have to project...you KNOW your getting an NHL ready defenseman with high character and high upside. The guess work is basically nullified as opposed to picks or non NHL prospects, but he's obviously young enough to fit right into the long term rebuild. I think that is exactly what they were aiming for...100% guaranteed NHL talent that can help the future and present....smart. 

12 minutes ago, albertaflyer said:

I watched every US World junior game. I came away so disappointed with his game. Yes he led the tournament with 12 points. But he had 2 goals against some pretty bad competition.  This was one of the worst world junior tournaments I've watched in a long time. That guy isn't far off with his evaluation of his play. His play away from the puck is not good and he plays about as soft as Charmen.  That guy wrote that before the world juniors I do believe and took a lot flak for it. But he was pretty dead on from what I watched. Bedard had 23 points at the World Juniors last year. Now if we had drafted Bedard and he said he wouldn't come to Philly I would be devastated.  I'm pretty happy the Flyers addressed a pretty glaring need.  Most of the hockey talk shows I listened to up here think the Flyer's won that trade. They said if Drysdale stays healthy he is going to be one heck of a player. Right handed d men with his skill don't come around very often.  Like O'dog said on TSN if Gauthier comes in the league and starts struggling he's going to have a really tough time after all this.  I think he may turn out to be a good NHL player but I think he has his work cut out for him.  He has a lot of holes in his game. NHL will expose them in a hurry.

 

Another thing to factor in here....what this rebuild is all about, winning the cup. That means long arduous rounds where you literally have to fight for every inch of ice. When a player will not sacrifice his body to maintain possession...that is a weak spot that will be exploited. Especially when that player is in the top 6 and getting tons of ice time. The more I read, the more I'm thrilled it turned out this way!

On 1/8/2024 at 9:52 PM, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

Derek from Liberty Yell.

 

 

This is a very interesting quote from this guy. My running theory is that he has no plans to change his cherry picking selfish style and he KNEW it would land him square in Torts dog house! Avoiding all this mess and moving on was the easy solution. He would have been hated playing that style in Philly...without a doubt! 

 This dude sounds like JVR 2.0...if this post is correct, we avoided a major landmine!!

57 minutes ago, phlfly said:

He is such pre Madonna . So then **** that, guy!

 

Cutter made his name in NHL as "don't want to play and no communication". That is dead end if he will not be able to adjust in Ducks. I think it will be "bust" in few years. 

Yep...this turd now NEEDS to make it work in Cali.

1 hour ago, Mad Dog said:

Not sure what to think.......... I don't like Drysdale's game even a little. As impressive as he was in the major junior, so disappointing his NHL career has been so far. For someone who is supposed to use his speed and smooth skating to his advantage, he doesn't win many loose puck battles and doesn't quarterback PP all that well. He cuts off angles well; I'll give him that.  But what use is it when you constantly lose puck possessions and don't handle yourself well under pressure?  Pinches in on a rush, but doesn't work hard to get back... Fourth year career minus player. Also seems injury-prone... I don't blame the Ducks for getting frustrated.

 

I mean, I do believe Cutter didn't want to play here, but we couldn't get a better player for an absolute stud? Cutter will be a superstar in this league.

 

My only consolation/hope is perhaps Drysdale was mismanaged and misused in Anaheim, and Torts will be able to get much more out of him. But I have a suspicion this will not work out many Flyers fans think it will. I hope to be proven wrong. 

I have this mental image of Danny and Keith looking at all the league wide offers, figuring out the Ducks was the best and throwing things in disgust. 

I'm sure they did their due diligence...but Drysdale is clearly a tier below Cutter on the difference making scale. This seemingly entitled brat set the rebuild back. 

Figures...clearly the best thing Fletch EVER did was a mirage...lol. 

1 hour ago, pilldoc said:

 

So what the hell changed????????

 

Thinking back .....

 

this makes sense now ....

 

That's why the Flyers' fifth-overall pick in the 2022 NHL draft was noticeably absent from Flyers development camp at the beginning of July. “Was a little bit too much hockey after Worlds,” Gauthier told NHL.com on Sunday. “Just too much for me. I wanted time with the family.

 

https://www.inquirer.com/flyers/cutter-gauthier-flyers-danny-briere-junior-worlds-developmental-camp-20230730.html

 

https://phillyhockeynow.com/2023/07/30/cutter-gauthier-explains-why-he-missed-flyers-development-camp-philadelphia-prospect-fifth-overall-pick/

 

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/flyers-top-prospect-declines-invite-to-training-camp

 

I smell something rotten in Denmark .......

 

Me thinks this has been festering for awhile .........

 

 

Ha! Stinkville/Denmark...didn't even see your post and both came up with stinky...hilarious!

1 hour ago, RonJeremy said:

They said he was mad because he wanted to sign last year and play in the NHL this year and didn’t want to go back to college for another year. Could this be true, sounds ridiculous.

I read the same thing on reddit.

56 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

How would they have known? 

I'm sure they talk to the kid before they pick them.

Something else has to have happened. 

I read "rumors" that Cutter did not want to go to College...wanted to jump to the NHL as an 18 year old. I would imagine the Flyers insisted at least 1 year of NCAA would be best for his development..

This could explain the rift if true....

Not happy. Danny did ok because you KNOW the other GMs all knew he did not wanna sign here.. dealing from an obvious position of weakness.

Like the pp ability and RH shot...dont like the size or injury history. Im gonna assume he takes a top 4 position...which; on the bright side frees up Risto/Seeler and or Walker to be traded for more assets. Obviously a drop down in size and talent...but Danny had a gun to his head. Pissed. 

Laughton gonna score in the 3rd...can feel it in my bones...SO DUE!!

On 12/28/2023 at 5:56 PM, RonJeremy said:

Maybe we can hire Rambo for a rescue mission.

Wonder what Jimmy Devallano's son is doing these days? Did Jimmy pass on the secret Russian smuggling secrets that freed Federov?!

On 12/26/2023 at 3:47 PM, Math said:

Holy smoke, back to the 1980s where Russians, Czechs and other players from the wrong side of the iron curtain had to defect and seek asylum in the west at a high risk level.

 

It's a matter of emergency that these prospects manage to get the f*** outta there as soon as possible, for their own safety.

Its the prospect...but just as important, their immediate family. They will pay the price for th  player fleeing. Either murder or jail...punishing or killing loved ones is a sick but effective deterrent. 

On 12/22/2023 at 7:49 PM, Podein25 said:

 

He probably couldn't spell IQ if you spotted him an "I" and a "Q"

 

And a "Q" is worth like 10 points in Scrabble, so naturally RR would **** that up somehow. 

Merry Pods...Not to be to dark, but Elf on a Shelf, meet shoot Risto with a Pistol...lol. 

Seriously though, I get Danny and Jones refuse to just give away assets. There is a place where this strategy hampers a team. Its where the Street called Addition by Subtraction intersects with Financially Prudent Boulevard. 

Sure, milk EVERYTHING for all its worth, its written into your actual job description...BUT...sometimes this philosophy does not jive with your PRIMARY goal...actually winning the Stanley Cup. 

 Serious Question...name a Stanley Cup Champ with a top 4 Defenceman that is outrageously bad? Then add outrageously bad to 5+ mill for 3 more years on Stanley Cup Champs...the query becomes more impossible with each addition. 

  The moral of this long drawn out summary is: sometimes seeking the best possible deal is actually detrimental to your goals. The reality in today's NHL is 5 teams have cap space. Attempting to deal with the other 27 teams is messy. No matter who you plug into Ristos spot, your team becomes smarter instantly. Cap space on a rebuilding team is MUCH more important than a defensive liability with an albatross contract. Hard hitting defensive Defensemen are one of the easier things to replace in Hockey. Zadrov just went for a 5th rd pick...has the same skill set, minus a bit of mobility but much smarter at his actual role. 

 Getting too cute could give you years of migraines, limited cap space AND fellow teammates wondering "where is the accountability"...because the second he is benched for sub par play, the odds of striking a decent deal become less likely than Hans Gruber pulling off a successful heist in Die Hard...AND YES, THIS WAS A CHRISTMASY COMPARISON!! 

19 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

I can't, for the life of me, figure out how anyone who watches hockey could see him play and think, ya, that's what we need on our team. 

 

Then to give up what Fletcher did for him....The Sabres and Yotes must still be laughing over that one.

I dunno what the Flyers were thinking? When I initially read reports that other teams were interested, I was cautiously thrilled. I figured Danny was trying to milk the situation ie lower or eliminate money retained. They overplayed their hand...LARGE. You get a chance to rid yourself of an albatross contract attached to a top 4 Dman with a disgustingly low hockey IQ...YOU DO IT...QUICK!! 

Bad news, good news. Our 1st round d man Bonk has made Team Canada! 

Unfortunately, Denver Barkey was one of the 4 Forwards cut. 

Apparently, the Team will add one more forward. That spot is being held for Benson (Buffalo prospect) or Potrios ( 3rd line Center for Boston currently). 

If neither of those guys is released, 1 of the 4 forwards cut from camp takes the final spot. 

Firkus was considered the front runner, but apparently had a sub par camp. He's the best pure sniper available, but his less than stellar play may have opened the door for Barkey. 

Remember, a Forward usually gets hurt during the physical Tournament...so hope is still there for Denver!