MurrayHBK Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 WHO THE PENS SHOULD PROTECT FOR THE EXPANSION DRAFT First of all, you can either protect 7 skaters and 1 goalie or 5 offense and 3 defense, 1 goalie. I think the Pens should protect 5 offense, 3 defense, 1 goalie. Offense Sidney Crosby Evgeni Malkin Conor Sheary Phil Kessel Carl Hagelin Defense Kris Letang Olli Maatta Trevor Daley Goalie Matt Murray Murray and Fleury will probably split time next season. Whoever does better in the split time the Penguins should protect. Fleury has a No-Movement clause, which means the Pens will be forced to protect him if he does not waive his No-Movement Clause. I think Fleury will, because he will want to start, and that will not happen if both Murray and Fleury are both on the Penguins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Welcome! Problem is nobody knows what the rules will be for how many in any position. Everything right now is speculation and we have a season to go yet. But if we're going to jump into it this far out, I'd say Hornqvist gets protected before Sheary. And Dumoulin before Daley. Otherwise I agree with your figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nossagog Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Welcome Murray, good to have another Pens fan around. Crosby, Malkin and Kessel are easy, world class talents. Sheary and Hagelin not so much. They played great this year, but that's about the extendtof their resume. Sheary is a wait and see if you can do it again, and so far looks like a role player guy how I think can be replaced. Hagelin has bounced a few teams, and melded well here, he would be a risk. Also with Sheary, you have to wonder how it will flush out. If Vegas wants to compete quickly, they may well choose a lot of experiencled players, so someone like Sheary would be overlooked. Polaris, at the time of the draft, Hornqvist will be 30, I might risk him and instead protect someone like Sundqvist or Sprong if they show promise. I'd just leave those last two spots open for now. On defense, Letang is a no brainer. Daley needs to put up another year to prove his worth, if he has another year like last, ye, if he reverts to the player Chicago didn't want, I'd expose him and protect youth.( Doumo or Pouliot) . Heck, with a full year in the system, maybe Shultz can make a move. Me personally, I'm not so sold on Maatta any longer. Injuries aside, he is not a very quick defender. I had expected him to work on speed prior to last year, but people are still blowing by him. He's great once set up, but I think that the model in the NHL is going to be a speed game for the next few years, and he's a liability. We'll have to see. I still expect the Pens to try to move Fleury, it would be cool to see the teams he names as possible teams to go to right away. I'd love to see them move him early rather than later in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 On 8/24/2016 at 2:13 PM, MurrayHBK said: WHO THE PENS SHOULD PROTECT FOR THE EXPANSION DRAFT First of all, you can either protect 7 skaters and 1 goalie or 5 offense and 3 defense, 1 goalie. I think the Pens should protect 5 offense, 3 defense, 1 goalie. Offense Sidney Crosby Evgeni Malkin Conor Sheary Phil Kessel Carl Hagelin Defense Kris Letang Olli Maatta Trevor Daley Goalie Matt Murray Murray and Fleury will probably split time next season. Whoever does better in the split time the Penguins should protect. Fleury has a No-Movement clause, which means the Pens will be forced to protect him if he does not waive his No-Movement Clause. I think Fleury will, because he will want to start, and that will not happen if both Murray and Fleury are both on the Penguins. Welcome to hockey forum I agree with the goalie statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 On 8/25/2016 at 6:52 AM, nossagog said: Welcome Murray, good to have another Pens fan around. Crosby, Malkin and Kessel are easy, world class talents. Sheary and Hagelin not so much. They played great this year, but that's about the extendtof their resume. Sheary is a wait and see if you can do it again, and so far looks like a role player guy how I think can be replaced. Hagelin has bounced a few teams, and melded well here, he would be a risk. Also with Sheary, you have to wonder how it will flush out. If Vegas wants to compete quickly, they may well choose a lot of experiencled players, so someone like Sheary would be overlooked. Polaris, at the time of the draft, Hornqvist will be 30, I might risk him and instead protect someone like Sundqvist or Sprong if they show promise. I'd just leave those last two spots open for now. On defense, Letang is a no brainer. Daley needs to put up another year to prove his worth, if he has another year like last, ye, if he reverts to the player Chicago didn't want, I'd expose him and protect youth.( Doumo or Pouliot) . Heck, with a full year in the system, maybe Shultz can make a move. Me personally, I'm not so sold on Maatta any longer. Injuries aside, he is not a very quick defender. I had expected him to work on speed prior to last year, but people are still blowing by him. He's great once set up, but I think that the model in the NHL is going to be a speed game for the next few years, and he's a liability. We'll have to see. I still expect the Pens to try to move Fleury, it would be cool to see the teams he names as possible teams to go to right away. I'd love to see them move him early rather than later in the season. If they move Fleury, which I like to see go. ( who didn't know that) would like to see a few draft picks/ prospect for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 38 minutes ago, notfondajane said: If they move Fleury, which I like to see go. ( who didn't know that) would like to see a few draft picks/ prospect for him! That may rely on the right situation at the right time. Everybody knows the Pens would like tI move Fleury and that tends to drive value down. If that doesn't happen IMO they expose him and Vegas likely bites on the "Cup winning goalie" The benefit is that could protect other players for the Pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 56 minutes ago, radoran said: That may rely on the right situation at the right time. Everybody knows the Pens would like tI move Fleury and that tends to drive value down. If that doesn't happen IMO they expose him and Vegas likely bites on the "Cup winning goalie" The benefit is that could protect other players for the Pens. Problem is they can't expose him. NMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, Polaris922 said: Problem is they can't expose him. NMC. I was building on the concept expressed earlier in thread that he would waive if not the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaris922 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 4 hours ago, radoran said: I was building on the concept expressed earlier in thread that he would waive if not the starter. I wonder if he would though. He's said he wants to stay here and if he is protected odds are Murray would not be so... I just dont don't think the Pens are in a great position with him right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 3 hours ago, Polaris922 said: I wonder if he would though. He's said he wants to stay here and if he is protected odds are Murray would not be so... I just dont don't think the Pens are in a great position with him right now. They're really not. They gave him all the cards and are in the position of asking him to give them back. And they're going to have to expose one "Cup winning goalie" - I would presume most Pens fans would prefer they kept the younger one (if they have to give one up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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