BearOnIce

I feel that this points to the need to be developing a core of defence prospects in the Flyers farm team/league affiliates every year, as an unyielding, basic operating philosophy. I do not believe that this is happening. I believe that there is too much of a "trade philosophy" with this Fylers organization, basically go get what you need by trade. This is becuase everything seems to have to be "immediate" with this franchise. That is not how Cup champions are built anymore in this NHL. They are built though solid scouting and internal development program. Our situation now is really on Holmgren and Lukko. I believe that coaching is very on par for the most part from team-to-team in the NHL today. Where the difference is lies with ownership and general management, more specifically who does it smarter and better.

Morning brings clarity. Flyers will miss playoffs. A given. Team too much off-season changes/injuries. Never gelled. Now too far behind 8 ball. Not the coach. Failure of GM many levels. Trades. No Sutter/Webber. All or nothing here caused deep D hole. D causing team avalanche right now. (Very obvious against O powerhouse like Pens). Loss of Carle. Loss of Pronger. D porous, going down faster/worse than ever expected this year. Kimmo lost wheels 1 more year must have help. Grossman keeper solid stay-at-home. Worst GA and loss record NHL. GM D summer stopgaps did not work. Schenn, Gervais, Gus, etc. not answer. + D cupboard bare. Lack of scouting & proper management of farm system. On GM. Clean D house. Trade Colburn a 3/4 but make some team believe 1/2. Makeover will cost young forward or two. Rebuild take 3-4 years. Hextall in as GM. Bryz a system goalie, this not his system, buy-out. Bob trade. On GM. Need legit #2. Booch and Leighton gone. Hextall can fill the G cupboards there in 5 years. Briere traded to contender. GM mistake loosing Jagr w/influence. Giroux carrying C heavily. Talbot, Gagne, Red, all replaceable fill-ins. Simmons, Jake, Harts keepers. B Schenn and Couts likely trade casulties. But Flyers must stop trading youth. Must develop internally. That why GM change possible. There, I fixed it all.

Blame for missing the playoffs.. Never too early.

Bingo :PHI:

Correction: Boston 35GA.

This states it in absolute simplicity, as stats usually do: In the East, Flyers have 60GF. That puts them only behind Tampa with 70GF and Pittsburgh with 69GF. They are Top 3. Seems like offence is not the problem. In the East, Flyers have 66GA. That puts them as one of the three worst ahead of Florida with 69GA and Islanders with 68GA. There is no Top 8 East Playoff Team Eight now with worst that 60GA. In fact Boston is insane with 41GA. The case? Flyers need defence and a goalie. Simple. That is where the focus should be. Forget everything else. Is this oversimplification? I don't know. You tell me.

Oh my.... I say gut the goalie.

Soon. Along with JR. He always wanted to retire a Flyer. They all do.

Agree. Got to look at it like Ed does. Don't buy his stuff.

It that defenceman Rathke (sp) still up in that press box too? Maybe they can make some more room by making Pronger a defenceman coach. I know that at least he would get his defencemen's attention.

Ok so Briere and Gagne will retire as Flyers after all...

You nailed it. Could not say it any better. What will really tell the tale is when Briere does waive is NMC and goes to play for a division rival, like Boston, a true contender. How many cups does Mr. Briere have? That will be The inditement on this Flyers team. All from that cute, nice, always polite, always a teammate, Danny B. Let's not forget this is above all a business. Dany has held up his end of the bargain. You make your bed, you sleep in it Mr. Holmgren. Briere can drive his three kids to Quebec to see family a lot faster from the Bay State than Philly.. Go Flyers!

Nice kid. Probably will go someplace else and bloom. That's the Flyers developmental legacy.

Wow, another relic returns. This f'kin' GM for real? He ever watch what other teams in the NHL do to build a franchise? Thank god I have Center Ice so I can actually watch some enjoyable hockey with other teams.

Now seriously, you know that I agree with what you say but what are you smoking? You realize that this team has a GM called Holmgren and a owner named Snider and it's 38 years and counting, right? And now we bring back another relic, a Simon Gagne. man, I have never seen anything like this homerism and inseduous behavior with any sports team. Briere, Kimmo, Bryz - Do it now. Shake it up. This team is a stinkin' turd, lazy and inconsistent and they need a hard beating. Keep them worrying if they are next to go and wetting their pants until some real hockey players show up in those Flyer uniforms.

Gagne? Please. This means that the inmates are in complete control now and Laviolette's time is unfortunately limited at the helm. Unfortunately the GM and owner get to stay, and that my friend is why it is 38 years and counting and will be many more.

Gagne? You kidding me. Nice kid but way past prime. What's he going to bring except some nice stories on the bench with the young and impressionable guys? Oh wait, he is the solution to loosing Jagr. Why is Holmgren just rearranging the deck chairs on this Titanic of a team? I think the problem is obvious. He promised Snider hook, line, and sinker this team was really good, and he thinks only a tweak or two is needed. Houston, the problem is much, much more severe than any of us thought with this GM.

Man, I am sorry we got the answer... :wacko:

More of the same last night. There will be some that say let it play out. Others will want half the team or more moved, including the coach, the GM, the guys that shave the ice... :wacko: Ok, everybody gets a shot. Group therapy. Yes or no. Who should the Flyers move, if anyone? A. B. C. Etc. BOI

Start moving players. It is time. Got to shake it up or forget about this year. It is not the coach.

I don't think so.

Hope springs eternal.

Howie, let's see what the Youth Movement can do tonight.

5-3. Nice effort. Crosby looked, well like Crosby. Hope Gino gets better soon.

Howie, I read that and agree. I like this golden tidbit: "The Flyers (9-10-1), winners of three of their last four games, finally can reach the international symbol of mediocrity if they can defeat improved Toronto and their old pal, James van Riemsdyk, on Monday night at the Wells Fargo Center." Ouch. Sarcasm. In Your Face Comcast Flyers. Ed, Peter, Bob, and Paul, so you think you are so good and believe all your own self-generated hype.. "Sam-The-King-Unmasker". Sammy D tells the Comcast Flyer Kings that, you know what, you think those clothes that you have on are pretty sharp, right?, well, you really don't have any clothes on... Or as some would say, "Hey, you know that pig with lipstick, guess what? it's still a pig..." Peace.