That was a very good post Tropical, thanks for that. It gives a lot food for thought. I think you are spot on the lack of talent and scorers. I still think coaching can somewhat compensate for the lack of talent, as the Finnish National Team has traditionally been relatively good with PP despite similar problems. Admittedly it's a little different though, when there is lot of time and a lot of coaches co-operation when in preparation for a shorttime effort like the Olympics, for example. Apples and oranges, to a degree.