Digityman

Yeah I'm with you. Haven't watched a full game since last year. This year, maybe 5 periods total. Just not worth my time

I am wondering what does make GM 'qualified' other than already being a GM previously. Seriously, I'm wondering. If Briere, who - (1) Played in the NHL for 15 years (successfully and wasn't a goon) (2) Rose the the ranks to GM a ECHL team (successfully - isn't qualified, which person is (assuming they weren't a GM previously.

So in simplest terms, you think during this "transformation" (not rebuild) the team reaches their prime (best chance years for a cup) within the next 5 years. And I think they are approaching their prime in year 5. Glad we got that sorted out! I wish there was a way to put a reminder on posts like a calendar system. That way you could mark it to remind you so many days in the future to remind you to come back to see who was right about predicting what will happen in the future. @hf101, @radoran, @yave1964 - quick, someone implement that code please. As for now Grateful poster, if we are still spinning 5 years from now we'll come back to this conversation.

Thanks. Neither guy is a finished product, I agree. BUT I believe neither is going to jump significantly. Let's say both are a 85 out of 100 (solid B's). Do you think either jump to 90? 95? In my opinion, they might creep up to 87-88s but that's about it. TK is a poor man's Marchand with the possibility of matching Marchand's output in his very best year to come. That's what they are hoping other GM's think also. I 100% agree with this. However, we have slightly varying views: Your view (based on what I've read) "Keep the player through their prime even though the team won't be in their prime because they are known commodity and you don't know what you'll get to replace them. " My view "Attempt to develop player similar to them (and hopefully better) that will hit their prime when the team is hitting their prime" I do also understand that you also need a few 'veteran' players that will help guide younger players. I'm not sure TK fits that bill. Provorov, maybe.

I understand your point, I just don't agree with it. If you sell Prov/TK high you get a chance at getting one or more players that *might* be better. If you keep Prov/TK you keep them their value declines starting next year along with any possible returns. (impending UFAs) Players are like stocks. There are ones that age well and those that don't. For example Giroux aged really well. His value at 34 (should have) fetched a (more) healthy return AND while they kept him he had great dividends. Players reach a point to where their value starts to diminish. He's like the Disney, Apple.... slight up and downs but you know what you'll get for a long period of time and you reinvest those dividends. Statistically forwards peak at 28 and defencemen peak at 29. Both Prov/TK are 25 and will be 28 in 3 years (2025/6), which is about the earliest most on this board think the Flyers will be relevant again. So you get those players at their peak for (arguably) 1-2 years and then they start to decline. Not only that but both players are UFA's that year and if they keep at their current pace, will require salary increases. So, you get them for 1-2 years at current salary, then they want a long stable contract moving forward (the kind we all complain about). In my opinion, that's not good asset management. Many posters on here have complained about giving too long of contract to those 27-30 year old UFA's who have already reached their peak but want to be paid on 'past' performance. So the Flyers have three choices: Sell high on both. This year fetches the most, next year slightly less because of impending UFA in 3 years. Get picks (preferable) Keep them, extend them in 2024/5 for long term for more money and complain that they got too much term/money Lose them for nothing to UFA Again, all in my opinion, but the choice is pretty clear as to which I would think makes the most sense. To your point, I don't want to sell everyone. It makes no sense BUT they need to start selling high on players to get better returns (picks).

I agree, the time is now to sell Provorov and TK. Let us not forget that it's okay to develop players and consider them a commodity. I think sometimes people forget that piece - especially Flyers mgmt. We've all seen enough of these two to figure out what they are going to be, it's about time we sell high on players that are approaching UFA. Trading Hart is the ultimate way to jumpstart a rebuild I'm just not sure that's the best asset management. Ersson does look good but not good enough to say he'll be a starter in the NHL. Now if Fedotov got busted out of military prison by Winona Ryder and picked up where he left off, I think that makes it easier to trade Hart. I think the whole point is to look at what you have in the cupboards that could *reasonably* replace what you have aging out by the time the rebuild is complete. Maybe not a direct replacement but projected *similar* skill. And if you do have that coming up then sell high... So for example below, Flyers do have *like* replacements for those in green. Those in yellow are shopped.... IF all are kept, the average age of those guys are 30.....woof. I used age 35 as age of decline (years left).

Don't forget Brink and this years top 5 choice. I do think they have some youth coming in that if managed properly could....

#4 - GAA - 1.97 #3 - Sv% - .946 #3 - SA - 296 6-0-2 I think he's starting to figure it all out and over the next 2-3 years he'll start coming into his prime. The obvious question is will this management realize it and put a competitive in front of him or will he be wasted like Giroux (and Lindros and....)

That's kinda what I'm hoping for Howie! Either this team keeps doing what they are doing and they end up just outside the playoffs (9-12 spot) or their play comes back down to what their roster actually is and they get a top 5 pick. I know what I am (and have been) hoping for. This is the first year that I haven't watched every game for 25 years. In fact, I haven't watch a full game yet. I hope someone lets me back on the wagon next year.

Agree with this. I still think Frost turns into a light version of Danny Briere. I know a lot of people have given up on him but I haven't. Maybe I'm naïve. First 3 seasons Danny B - 82 games, 10 goals, 15 assists Morgan F - 77 games, 7 goals, 16 assists It wasn't until Briere's 5th season (112th game to start the season, 190th to finish) that he became the player we knew. Frost has played 82 games total and had two major injuries. Let's see what he does with a full season and I'll bet he turns a corner around the holidays. Danny B. Frost.

2:40 - Braun - "Frick me"

If I'm correct, they also represented Tortorella as a client. So they made a recommendation for the Flyers to hire one of their clients. Say it with me kids.... Double Dip.

Just keep it up for one more year boys. Don't fix it now.

I'm hoping there is someone above him that reads this sentence. That should be enough to open eyes even for non-hockey people. Well said.

Wow that is a sh!t lineup. I've finally caught up on everything that's been happening since the beginning of June. While I hate to have another horrible season - the first one in my 30 years where I didn't watch every game - next years draft looks real tasty. With JG, this team is a bubble playoff team at best. Without JG the team finishes about where they finished this past year, maybe top 3 worst. The good news is we get to watch Hayes until 2026-7.

From a Bleacher Report article: Isn't that what a majority of us have been screaming about for years? We need a finisher. He is that in spades.

I'm just putting this here as pat on my back. Trotz is good, Lambert is going to be better. He learned a lot from Trotz but is of the 'new' NHL era. Flyers are going to hire Trotz of the old NHL because, after all, this is the Flyers.

Lol. When the flyers are worse than the sabres

Attard -4 in 15 mins of ice time. What a bust. Bum.

Two games, two wins, four assists. Wonder how Ryanne is settling in.. Maybe hating the 80 degree days and wishing she was back in Philly (currently 39). Probably not.

Panthers vs Canadiens in Giroux's first game with the cats. My prediction, Giroux gets a hattrick (1 on the PP).

I honestly don't care if he comes back but I'll be 100% shocked if he doesn't already have a handshake deal with Chuck.

I think everyone needs to remember that Giroux had a full NTC and only wanted to go to Florida. Chuck held no power. If he didn't do the trade he would have been roasted. He got two (better) picks and potentially a better player than Bunnaman/Rubstov together. All the other trades people are comparing didn't have a player saying they only wanted to go to one team. And that team knows he's not signing with them this summer.

Maybe I'm missing something with retaining the $4m in cap space... To confirm, this is for the last 20 games right? The flyers don't need cap space and it's Comcast money. Why do you or any other fans care about that? Also they sent out a 5th and got a 1 & 3. Again, that's a win in my book. I could care less about Bunnaman or Rubstov. So then it comes to 3 months of Giroux for Tippett.

I honestly think it's an okay deal. You guys complaining about losing Bunnaman and Rubstov? Neither were going to be on this team. They got a first, third and a potential 2nd/3rd line guy with a good to great shot for G for 3 months. Then G resigns for a home town discount. I'm okay with this deal especially because that's where G wanted to go (and deserved).