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12 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

Tij Iginla at 12 make it all feel better???

 

or Carter Yakemchuk

 

 

 

Not really, I appreciate falling back into top 15 draft position. 

Realistically no team trades out of it's top pick especially if it's in the top 10. 

I don't anticipate much happening in the way of off-season intrigue. By that I mean The Danny Jonsey® being able to work some kind of miracle trade to move into the top 5.

I think unless Michkov can join the team, they will be worse next year. 

A lot of what I think will happen will depend on the Michkov timeline.

If the Flyers aren't saying anything about how they got Fedotov maybe that means they have those people working on the bigger fish. If Michkov is in play, then extending Konecny isn't the worst move.  But there are other threads to come for that nonsense. 

This isn't necessarily all directed to you OR, but this thread feels like a good place for an end of season impression.

The team is being rebuilt or at the very least made to be different, if people cannot see it I don't know what to say anymore. If people don't like the way the Danny Jonesy® are going about it, that's a different story but fine by me, there's no one right way to do it. I dont' like the way my mother-in-law makes lasagna either.

The roster has 5 players remaining from the Giroux era. That's 79% new faces since the bubble, that's real turnover.

I cheer for hockey and hockey teams, not draft picks and trade speculation, the season being over means the part I like least about following the team has begun. yay

If winning a championship is the only criteria used to gauge success then I reckon those who think that way should get used to feeling miserable. 

I was entertained by this hockey team this season. They were easy to like, they played hard. They got everything out of their ability, which was limited.

What's not to like about that effort?

The building is more full and more engaged than it has been in 6 years. 

The management has made big strides toward repairing the relationship with the fans, they aren't pissing on our legs and saying it's from the lawn sprinkler. 

Horrible time to go into a collective scoring slump. 

It highlighted that lack of high end talent.  The difference between winning and losing in the NHL today is pretty slim. The difference between bad teams and decent teams is slim too.

Having a player or two that can make something from nothing would have been helpful during that stretch of games.

This also just in: if my aunt had any balls, she'd be my uncle. Can't do anything about that either.

Good for Cutter.

Also, he can fug all the way off forever. 

On 4/14/2024 at 4:52 AM, OccamsRazor said:

What a fine young gentleman.

 

Makes me proud.

 

Made me happy to see they won on his night.

Not going to lie.

I'm glad they beat the Rangers.

I hate that they're so good.

I hate that they rebuilt their team in 2 years.

I do like the sweaters... but really **** that whole organization.

@SCFlyguy

the points per games percentage is   game / wins. Yes?

It just means the Rangers win more frequently than the Flyers by that percentage.

I think while your math is fine, but using winning %  doesn't take into account playing head-to-head, it's of all the games both teams play, the Rangers win more frequently.

5 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

and the Gauthier pick,

Was it known he didn't want to come to PHI when he was chosen?

If not, I don't see where that was a bad pick, just a bad result. 

@ruxpin

Wouldn't it be funny if they promoted Rocky Thompson to HC after kicking Tortorella upstairs.

He does have a good track record of developing young players. 

It would be funny because the powerplay was so bad this year and everyone says it's all his fault. 

at least I think that would be funny.

I'll see myself out.

*kicks rocks* sigh.

I just looked at cap friendly for a Couturier buy-out.

oooof.

5 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

It SHOULD mean that they'd do an honest to goodness rebuild. But it won't.

We have to see what happens first.

Could be guys are getting bought-out and "promoted" 

I cannot imagine the FO is watching this and thinking, "yep  going exactly as we planned, sign all the free agents!"

@GratefulFlyers

amazing what an .875 save percentage, injuries and clown-show histrionics can do.

The business with Couturier was/is really puzzling to me.  

Not sure what the desired outcome was, but alienating the only top 6 centerman on the team couldn't have been near the top of the list.

1 hour ago, Samifan said:

I realize Fedotov has been thrown into a difficult situation because of how the Flyers botched losing Hart (especially after hearing they were planning to lose him) but I was expecting more especially after the first 20 minutes of his Flyer career. 

I also have some heartspace for the team on that Carter Hart situation. 

Those charges took forever to drop. I'm not sure how that could've been project managed not knowing when the hammer was falling. 

I mean, they were carrying 3 goalies for what 2 months? What would have been better to do? They could have traded for a backup? but then, really? 

That situation wasn't nearly as hard on other teams because the players involved were skaters not the franchise goalie.

16 hours ago, Samifan said:

How many years ago was the 9-0 loss to the Rags?

Dude 9-3 to the ****** Habs was 2 days ago.... you think they're keeping within double digits of a good team? 

I seriously though, I have some latitude for Fedotov. He isn't at all what he could be, are his pads even worn in?

10 hours ago, Mad Dog said:

I just feel like there is no cohesion on the ice anymore, and one has to wonder if it translated to the locker room, as well.... or vise versa. The team just looked totally transformed in a very negative way from even 3 weeks ago. Clearly, something has occurred. We may hear more during exit interviews, I hope.

They looked like they had never played together vs MTL. That was a fiasco.

I wonder if getting .785 goaltending has anything to do with why they're so bad?

I'll bet that is big reason.

I need to see this team compete during these last 3 games for the "building culture" idea to land....all 3 remaining teams are better,

If they lose these games 5-3 with an empty netter but are competitive that's one thing;  that will stink but at least it shows the team has some fight remaining.

Getting dragged behind the woodshed? I think will present even more questions about just what the hell is happening. 

2 hours ago, ruxpin said:

If anyone's looking for something to watch and hasn't already, I'm mid-season 2 of Yellowjackets.   It's mostly dark but often funny and, for me, really very good.

 

I now return you to your regularly scheduled spin cycle.

Hey, the 3 Body Problem is some excellent science fiction.

We blew through it in a weekend. 

Those GOT nerds can adapt a book. 

Just now, Mad Dog said:

What *is* insane is that people still pay money to go and watch the garbage they put on ice.... year after year.

Until last week they were pretty fun to watch.

They were really frisky, never seemed to be out of a game. 

The talent disparity was evident when they played the true contenders but for 70 games they played pretty well.

I enjoyed watching them.

20 minutes ago, flyerrod said:

Who knew Walker was a critical piece of this team…….

His advanced metrics were pretty awesome and he was really good on the PK. 

That and the fact that everyone got hurt and then he was traded kind of killed the season.

Not to mention causing the uproar around a 4th round pick for and old guy, who is here until the season ends.

13 hours ago, SCFlyguy said:

None that wasn't apparent on the first day of the season my friend.

 

The only ones who didn't know it were in the front office and on this board

I mean, you know everything, sure. But for the rest of us who don't have a time machine. 

I think we learned about Sam Ersson, Morgan Frost, Tyson Foerster playing in the NHL.

Cam York showed something this season, as did Travis Sanhiem, that contract isn't so awful looking now.

Ryan Poehling, who knew? he was much better than I expected. 

I didn't expect Tyson Foerster to be as good of a forechecker as he turned into, I also didn't expect to see him score 20 in his first year. 

I think many people thought Carter Hart's fate was going to be known prior to the season. It took a long time for those charges to come out. 

When there was no announcement, and the season began, I think it made that whole situation weirdly unmanageable. 

I'm hoping they can improve their draft position over remaining games and escape the season without ruining Jamie Drysdale or, since he's here until the aliens come to squash us like bugs, Sean Couturier. 

I don't know.

Well Ryan Poehling is kinda cute. 

The Flyers made the Canadiens look like the Harlem Globetrotters last night.

That was an embarrassing display.

Play like that vs the Rangers and they could lose by double digits.

Why Couturier and Drysdale are playing boggles my mind.  Shut those guys and Sanhiem down.

This season is over the only thing left to do for them this year is shorten their careers.

It's a shame this entertaining season is ending this way, however, maybe it highlights the true talent level of the club and will spur people to action.

1 hour ago, icehole said:

If he had more skill and aggression on the offensive side, he wouldn't have to worry so much about playing a two way game.

This is not an accurate statement. 

True story he went to the bosses and said, I want more offensive responsibility and 2 years later he won a Selke trophy.

Before he had the back injuries he was a stud.

His skating was not great, but he scored, made his linemates better and when he was on the ice the Flyers had the puck and were creating scoring chances. 

Had his back injuries not happened, he would definitely be a valuable asset to jump start a rebuild. 

That's not where we are though.

4 minutes ago, icehole said:

I'm sorry, but why is everyone "keeping" Couturier? To me, he seems like the best example of getting rid of a big name player, and the team plays better without him. I don't think he should be captain and I don't think he's been a leader at all. I think he gets respect (and probably too much of it) for playing a two way game. Not many do that, so they make a big deal of it when someone does.  If he had more skill and aggression on the offensive side, he wouldn't have to worry so much about playing a two way game.

 

The only way I keep him is if I can't get anything for him. First through third round pick, and we don't retain salary or anything like that, I would send him away.

 

This isn't a team that has any "must keep" players, so you listen to any offers. I'd be hesitant on trading Forster, Tippett, and Drysdale, but that's about it.

He is signed for 7 more years at 7+m .aav, he has injury concerns and wore down in his first full season back from those injuries. 

Who would take that contract?

That's why he's a keeper. 

Maybe we should call him a nobody wants-er?

On a non-Fletchered team he would be a "first to go". 

15 minutes ago, flyerdog said:

even York...he has not shown yet that he is a consistent top line D-Man

He's 23 this is his second NHL season.

He's played 30 minutes a night since December for "reasons" but one of them is he's earned them.

He does that stick on puck thing about as well as I've seen anyone in a Flyers uniform do it since...Dejardains? I don't think he's done developing either.

We see that player differently. 

But i appreciate your perspective.

33 minutes ago, flyer4ever said:

I have zero faith that the GM does anything that indicates a proper rebuild.

What would constitute a proper rebuild iyo?

Trading Konecny?

It seems to me the previous guy has hamstrung the new guys with some of the contracts he offered.

I don't know how a Couturier contract would get moved for instance.

Also, i agree that this management group won't go full Blackhawk. I'd be shocked if they did. 

@flyer4ever

I forgot about Poeling and Hathaway. I liked watching those guys this year. They're cheap and not holding anyone back. 

I think the carrots of the 23/24 hockey season are cooked- for the Flyers anyway. I don't see where they're qualifying for the playoffs unless there is divine intervention.

I do think some information has been gathered about some players and whether or not they should be kept for the future or used to acquire some other assets.

There are some guys that I think are just not tradeable and some that after another year will become someone else's problem if they remain in the NHL

I think those players are:

Sean Couturier - he's a favorite of mine, he's also signed until doomsday and has legitimate health questions. He's not tradeable

Cam Atkinson- No one would want him, he's on the payroll for another year

Travis Sanhiem- Perhaps this season has changed the perception of him around the league. He's been very good this year, has been playing through an injury that will likely require surgery, again signed until baby jesus returns at a high cap hit. Not feeling too mobile to me.

Rasmus Ristolainen- Did his mandatory military service end his hockey career? He's got too much $ for too long, but he's big and mean; could he be worth  something in a trade?  By himself signs point to no- as part of a package in a hockey trade...probably.

Do you build around or trade for a top pick or top prospect?

Travis Konecny

He too is a favorite of mine. He’s been playing through an injury that will likely require surgery, he’s been really good this season after a nice year last season.  

I feel like I’m good either way. Trade him for a #1 centerman prospect and something else or keep him if the cap hit isn’t cripplilng.

Is he too old to fit the Michkov timeline? maybe, lots of questions and emotion around this player’s future.

Guys to build around:

Cam York

Guys to build around?:

I like these players and would like to see them remain with the Flyers or in the case of Drysdale I want to see more of him. I think his sample size with the team is too small to make an accurate determination.

Jamie Drysdale

Owen Tippett

Tyson Foerster

Samuel Ersson

Guys I don’t hate but need to see more from

Joel Farabee – picked a bad time to slump, is he learning or is he not made for the moment? Maybe he’s banged up and we’ll find out on locker clean out day. He has skill and had a nice 5/8 of a season.

Bobby Brink- I think his hockey brain is special. I hope he can find a way to be stronger on the puck and that micro second quicker to take action. He finds space and can be good along the walls occasionally.  

WTF to do with this guy?

Morgan Frost- I don’t hate the player anymore, he’s been mostly meh in his Flyers career though. He’s finally found some consistency. For me he needs to produce to be kept around.  I’m ambivalent about him. If he stays fine, if he goes in a hockey trade, fine.

Ronnie Attard- righthand shot, aggressive, can skate has size. I want to see more of him to make a determination. Now is the time.

Ivan Fedotov

This is how waivers work young man.

Egor Zamula – was okay for a stretch but wilted since February. Is he learning, does he warrant keeping for that Nick Seeler memorial 7^th defenseman spot?  I think with the other cats in the system I’d rather cut bait with Z.

Meh

Ollie Lyksel

Adam Ginning

These cats can head on back to the SHL and have nice lives.  In each case I think there are players in the system I’d rather see.

What would your list be?

Comments and opinions are welcomed.