pilldoc

1 hour ago, CoachX said:

Yes, “reopened”. So they did that NOT have that evidence the first time? That’s what I’m curious about

Its quite possible that new evidence came to light that was not available before…..   not going to comment any further as everything else could be misconstrued as pure speculation.

54 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

Assistant Crown attorney Heather Donkers also said the players' lawyers would receive "substantial disclosure" in the next few days.

 

Disclosure is the evidence collected by the prosecution against the accused.

 

The case will be back in court April 30.

 

Later Monday, London police are scheduled to provide an update on their investigation.

 

The police probe was initially closed without charges months after the alleged incident but investigators reopened it in 2022.

Again as has been mentioned elsewhere....  I don't believe this case would never had been reopened UNLESS the prosecuting attorney feels they have strong enough evidence (based on the wording of the Assistant Crown attorney) that could bring about a possible conviction of one or all the players involved.  I would be curious to know what type of evidence they have ....I know there is some type of video involved but that is all I know ......

That attorney, based on her wording makes it seem like they have a lot more evidence they have gather over the months .....

"IF" that is true and they have quote "a smoking gun", it would be interesting to see if any of the players makes some type of plea to keep this out of the courts.......  just thinking out loud here ......

Of course everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty and the evidence is made known to their respective lawyers.

12 hours ago, jammer2 said:

Sorry...1st and future 3rd is a massive overpay. I swore the Habs would get a 2nd...tops. The fact Monahan is a UFA after this season makes it far worse. 

 

 Calgary gives up a 1st to unload him on Montreal...Montreal gets a 1st and 3rd to trade him....if he signs with Montreal next summer and the process is repeated ....wow....just wow. 

 

 This makes the Trevling lead  Flames look real bad. 

this is how you acquire assets ........

This is how you build a team and if the Habs draft correctly, draft impact players

34 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

Where does Monahan slot in? 

1 hour ago, Brewin Flames said:

2 hours ago, CoachX said:

Is this forum considered social media?

 

 

More like an online insane asylum....

LOL .. yeah some of us have a few nuts loose ... LOL

https://www.hockeyforums.net/topic/201992-sources-confirm-nhl-players-facing-charges-in-sexual-assault-investigation/

This thread is closed ... see the new thread linked above .....

31 minutes ago, Math said:

That's why I truly despise the Facebook, X, Instagram and TikTok of this world and I think these platforms are really toxic for the humanity in general.

Can't agree more ....

All social media platforms, at its core, are designed to divide people against each other while hiding anonymously behind a keyboard.  Social media platforms discourage 1 on 1 meaningful dialogue and interaction.  Outside of FB, I will NEVER have a X (Twitter) / Instagram or TikTok account.  Even on my FB the only I post about are things about my family and kids and my BBQ.  I never post about work or politics. 

So yeah ...you are spot on...  

This is just a friendly reminder as we are noticing an uptick in posts that seem to be more critical in nature.

Per our own guidelines:

"Debates are fine, but critique the opinion, not the person."

In addition please try to keep the posts on topic which centers around Hart. 

thank you,

~doc

HF.net Manager

38 minutes ago, Molly Bell said:

Trust me, the police would not reopen the case and charge 5 players for a crime that happened 5 years ago if they do not have very convincing evidence. 

That was my thought process as well ......

7 minutes ago, Molly Bell said:

Pilldoc. It’s Province not Providence. 

Crap happens ...its called a typo ....feel better?

8 minutes ago, Molly Bell said:

As someone who worked in Canadian Law firms for Civil Law lawyers, I know how it works. 

Congrats .....  

8 minutes ago, Molly Bell said:

As well, I billeted OHL players. I believe every single victim. The hockey culture is outrageous. 

Never argued against this.  I have a wife and daughter and would be absolutely sicked if this happened  to them ....

However ...this is a hockey forum and as I said above NOT a legal forum.  Discussions will remain on the topic at hand with facts that are already known.  This is not the place to discuss the legaity of NDA's and what was or was not paid out by Hockey Canada.  There are other places on the internet for that.

Thank You .....

37 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

Exactly JR.  Hart has really screwed the team with his actions in this case.

He did more than screw with a team .....   "if" the evidence proves otherwise (remember he has yet to be formally charged or tried ...yet) and "if" he is found guilty of what is being reported ....then he screwed his life and the lives of many others outside of hockey.

The Flyers will eventually move on from this but for his life he will pay the repercussions of his actions for years to come. (Again.. if he is found guilty.)  

38 minutes ago, Molly Bell said:

Yes there was a confidentiality agreement. Provinces have been maki g these illegal since this happened. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/growing-calls-outlaw-non-disclosure-agreements-canada-1.6546531

Tread lightly here......  

Before allowing the post I did some research. (Since I am a US Citizen I don't know Canadien Law)

The above mention link is an editorial piece.  Upon further research I came across an editorial by a Canadian Lawfirm explaining your link.   The only Providence so far that has passed any type of regulation for NDA is Priince Edward Island.

https://www.stewartmckelvey.com/thought-leadership/are-non-disclosure-agreements-on-their-way-out/

"Before news of the Hockey Canada scandal broke, Prince Edward Island became the first jurisdiction in Canada to enact a law regulating the content and use of NDAs. The Non-Disclosure Agreements Act [4] (the “Act”) came into force on May 17, 2022. It prohibits persons alleged to have committed harassment from asking a complainant to enter into an NDA for the purpose of concealing the details of the complaint[5] – except in cases where the complainant wishes to have an NDA."

Note the word regulating...not the word illegal.

In addition the article further states:

"Prince Edward Island is not the only province to consider regulating NDAs. Bills that are almost identical to the Act were introduced in the spring of 2022 in Nova Scotia and Manitoba, but have yet to become law. The Nova Scotia bill passed first reading on April 7, 2022 and has yet to pass second reading.[9] Manitoba’s bill passed first reading on November 29, 2022. It also has not yet passed second reading.[10] In August of 2022, Senator Marilou McPhedran stated she planned to table a federal bill regulating NDAs.[11] More recently, the largest professional association for lawyers in Canada – the Canadian Bar Association (“CBA”) – entered into the discussion on NDAs."

Granted the date of this article in Spring 2023. There could be more updated info. 

Bottom line there was a NDA signed with Hockey Canada.

Moving forward this is a Hockey Forum not a legal Forum.  Please keep comments within the scope of Hockey.  Debates regarding if NDA's are legal or not in Canada can be argued in other parts of the Internet but not here.

Thank You,

~doc

HF.net Manager

EDIT:  (Found this chart from May 2023)

So far only 1 Canadian Providence has passed any type of legislation as listed above.

39 minutes ago, Fuzz said:

And just like that the Flyers lose a player that they could've gotten draft picks & prospects for.  This will certainly set back their rebuild quote a lot.

Depending how long Briere and company knew this potentially could happen, as posted somewhere else, the NHL simply would not allow a transaction for a player under sometype of criminal investigation.  

I am willing to make an educated guess that the NHL and Flyers organization potentially knew about this for many many months .... 

46 minutes ago, Molly Bell said:

HC more than likely paid well above the “maximum” to keep her quiet.

pure conjecture at this point with no proof and as @JR Ewing posted, "the Supreme Court of Canada declared that every out-of-court settlement in Canada must remain private."

3 minutes ago, jammer2 said:

Pure speculation on my part, no one has mentioned it, BUT could this whole **** show be  the main reason why Cutter did not want to play here??

 

 More pure speculation...but IF that was Cutters reason...could it have nothing to do with Harts guilt or innocence, but rather the Flyers attitude towards the investigation? 

 

Dont shoot the messenger....just throwing it out there. When you really think about it, a mess like this would not be casually thrown around as a reason to not want to play for a team. It would be guarded and shrouded in secrecy. Kinda makes sense when you think about it....

Very interesting perspective and thought process here….. gonna have to mull over this one.  
 

It is a very interesting theory…….

14 minutes ago, Cheesesteak said:

we already know he looks good in orange 

I shouldn’t laugh because this is is no laughing matter….. but that is funny.

3 minutes ago, aziz said:

I *think* the settlement was with Hockey Canada, not the players

You are correct .... I did some research on the matter.  Settlement was with Hockey Canada only.

For more context for those who need more info ....

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/hockey-canada-scandal-sexual-assault-2018-world-juniors-team/hhc54xdapaqx5l29kuimp09g

Has this been confirmed that he is one of the required to surrender to the authorities?

1 hour ago, hmc687 said:

It is 2024 now.  Even if Hart is. mercilessly guilty for events in 2018, how should he be held accountable?  The courts will do what they do but the league will have a PR stance too.

 

Again, my issue is with how much time has passed. 

There is no statute of limitations in Canada for these types of crimes.  If found guilty there must be consequences.  

If the situation was reversed and it was your loved one who had this done to them by these players .... would you not want justice to be served?

31 minutes ago, Brewin Flames said:

Yep....LA gave up the King's Ransom (see what i did there) to get and over pay this guy, all for squat.

Buyers remorse??????  hmmmmmm

Agree with @Brewin Flames .... he is damaged goods a bizillion years old (ok ...38) and his last really productive years was 8-9 years ago.

Its his last rodeo .......