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I just don't understand this logic

We won't even notice how good York is, or isnt. We will all be too amazed at the dominance of Wade Fckn Allison!

can't disagree with any of your points. I just can't lay it all on him.....YET

I agree. He hasn't done much. And I don't think he's been terrible, awful or idiotic. On Hayes: first season looked like a good signing. I get the money argument. Last season, "Purple" Hayes looked stoned, but he had an injury. Maybe that was the real cause. On Gus: bad signing. It was acknowledged and he was shipped out. However, if reports are true, he tried other options and couldn't get players they wanted. This was widely reported on. The untimely retirement f Nisky backed them against a wall On Braun: see Nisky above... I think they were in a tough spot and did what they could. I don't think anyone expected the abomination of a season they pinched out If he's screws up now, he deserves whatever he gets. To this point, I'm willing to see what happens, just like I am with a FEW players who had a bad season

For example? .....

i don't think it will be that high

me either! I have tremendous faith in him

@OccamsRazor I get your thinking. And honestly, you follow these things closer than I. You prolly have a better take on it. I'm just tired of this Flyer team. If moving parts and paying more to get out of a hole dug by someone else will bring in a new era, I'm a happy fan I watched the Isles/Tampa game last night. I remember Flyer teams playing with that kind of fire. I want it back. I won't get it with this team

If they can make it work, yes. From fan POV, I don't worry about the money situation. These GM's always find a way. I prefer to go at this from the perspective that a guy like Jones, could be an impact player for the next 8 years. I think that makes him 35. Of course, the probability is that I'm totally wrong

please see my above posted AV quotes.

AV quotes: “It starts with their leadership, their involvement in making sure that everybody is dialed in, tuned in,” Vigneault explained. “That goes from Kevin Hayes to Jake (Voracek) to (Claude Giroux) to (Sean Couturier). Those are the guys that we look to for guidance. When I say we, I’m a teammate in this room. I want those guys to step up and show us the way. He called out the Flyers’ line of James van Riemsdyk, Giroux and Voracek, saying they needed to “figure it out” “All those guys, I love Kevin Hayes as a person, James and Jake, I’m starting to know they’re great people,” Alain Vigneault said after Monday’s practice. “I need more from the hockey player. Two different distinctions, right? The person and the hockey player. Those three guys, I need more from the hockey player. I know that they want to do well. “We’re 20 games in — it’s time, you know? And I’m not telling you anything that I haven’t told them. Obviously, they feel pressure, but that’s why they (get) paid the big bucks. You’ve got to deliver, you’ve got to produce and we expect those guys to produce.” “I talked to Jake about this. I challenged him about this season. There’s a man who’s been in the league for a long time,” Vigneault said. “Basically, he’s won two playoff rounds.” ”I think there are a lot of young players pushing him,” the coach said. “He’s going to have to earn that ice time that he’s been able to get the last few years.” “I do agree that he is getting older. . .he’s got an opportunity now that we’re in pause to take these next months and really work at his conditioning and probably find the time to slow (the aging process).’’ Giroux has played in 889 regular-season games and has missed only about a dozen possible starts over his career. At some point, that’s bound to take a toll. “He’s getting older,’’ Vigneault said. “As you get older, the muscles don’t react as quick. But you can work on that. He’s going to have to put in a lot of time and effort.’’

Great guy. Great story. how fantastic would he be after kicking cancer's ass, that he regains his form Guy has more heart than any other player I'm aware of

this is a great point. one that should be seriously considered, and probably would be if this scenario has any reality to it. It's kinda like the same question, would Patrick be better somewhere else roll the dice!

Correct me if I'm wrong, was it you that was just complaining that AV should be fired, in part becasue he publicly called out young players? Good post though. I would love to see a full rebuild....starting with a trade for a true number 1 defenseman

BTW, what's make you think I wasn't drunk AT home?

thank you for correcting me. I meant the 2019-2020 season

I don' think any of us really felt this way in the 2019 season, when the Flyers were the number one seed in the playoffs. what happened this last season has changed everything

I get you on that. I obviously don't think its that bad. I don't think Jones is a bad as many are suggesting he is. I think his current level of play is directly connected to how he is being used in Columbus. I also think analytics can be misleading. There are numerous articles projecting him a future HOF player, a legit number 1, and ranked in the top 10 to 15 best defensemen in the NHL. In the 19-20 season, an article had him ranked as high as 5. Im not going to go web surfing and link tagging to prove this, I just suggest people read and research on their own As for the suggested trade, I like it better than one giving up TK/Frost. In looking at it, what is being given up. Laughton? Ok, he can be replaced. Patrick? I could replace him and I don't now how many laces are in my skates. Myers? Good player who had a bad year. Up until this particular trade scenario he was getting lambasted on this forum as being soft and sucky. He will never be Jones. So for me, the unknown of a draft pick is the only real loss. And since you would be moving 3 contracts, you get some cap to help sign him. Personally, I think he and Provy together, would be way more valuable to this team than any of the four pieces mentioned in the trade

But you don't want a 26 year old who had a bad year, and is now, and prolly always will be, better than that 24 year old?

Why not. If you are gutting this team for a rebuild, this moves pieces that aren't part of that ( exception being a draft pick), amd you get a number 1 to pair with provy

In alot of articles ranking current defenseman, Jones is listed in the top 10 best in the NHL. Sounds like a number one to me

I wouldn't even blink. DONE! let's move on

I think the forum needs a vacation! beers, bar-b-q, and Bourbon

Settle down! What happened, you not sleep last night? I have no problem with Wade Allison. I just thought it curious you were okay putting a rookie on the second line, while saying another rookie couldn't be expected to have an impact. Maybe you and I have a different understanding of the definition of "contradiction". I didn't know it would get you all triggered