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You can't have a modern medical and training staff when you have cavemen coaching and administering the franchise. It just doesn't mesh.

There are other issues in play and I hope DB is exploring all avenues. Teams may not want to give up top 10 picks but if you can  take back a bad contract and bundle some later draft picks something could happen. He did a deal like this last year with the Kings. Montreal and Ottawa might bite, and perhaps Utah may want to make a splash . First they have to commit to a tear down and we are all skeptical of that happening. As has been noted, I would not give up an asset like TK for the 30th pick and a prospect. 

If you were a young talented hockey player and you did your due diligence to see where young talent has gone and been nurtured properly and thrived as pros I am certain Flyerland ranks near the bottom if not dead last. The constant stream of cavemen coaching and GMing this organization definitely waves red flags at the draft for the prospects. How often does this have to happen?

I can almost hear the conversation between Clarke and Homer. 

"F*#k em if they don't wanna come here," says BEC.

"Thats right Bob, f*#k em all," replies Homer.

"We do sh#t our way here, and nobody's gonna change us," utters BEC, as another season rolls past without even a whif of playoff contention, and another 12th pick in the 2035 draft coming up.

Dysfunction in Flyer Junction. Maybe Jones and Hilferty should try and figure this out. Why their franchise that is just one piece away has become totally irrelevant in today's NHL. 

9 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

I’ve heard he is plain vanilla compared to the skill level of other players who may be available when we pick, nothing special in the skills area , just a solid two way player. I want more high end skill if it’s available for our pick.i I guess time will tell.

This is a paragraph from The Hockey Writers….

Helenius can really do it all. He’s determined and relentless, skates well, and uses his edges and quick changes effectively. He understands the defensive side of the game, knows how to pick off teammates who have the best chance at scoring with a strong pass, and has a quick, deceptive release. The only knock against him is that, of all these skills, none of them stand out above his competition

Helenius is a great pick if the Flyers do what they should do and BITFU the roster. The mere inkling of signing Johnson or trading#12 makes me cringe. I hope upon hope that Briere is blowing smoke, but I feel like he has drank the koolaid and thinks they are a piece or 2 away. We shall see soon enough. There are solid build a team around pieces in this draft and the next 2 as well, but not picking at #12. They need to bottom out and be in the 1-2-3 lottery. Everyone seems to know this (for a decade plus) except Flyers management. 

9 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

The only way I think Marner is workable is if the trade is for Konecny, and then he's used as rental and flipped for lots of things.

He's "better Konecny" with the same not quite fitting the timeline but with greater contract demands.

 

I say no thanks to most of that post. 

Mega hell no to Johnny Hockey. 

 

I wonder if Helenius will be around at 12 ?

I'd like to see him or Catton who after watching highlights of is wicked fast. 

Not sure which of the defenders will be around then.

Helenius playing well in the top Finnish men's league seems like a good thing.

 

 

Craig Button just revamped his draft eligible rankings. Helenius at #5, Catton at #12, Iginla I think at #4. The whole top 15 at tsn.ca.  

NOOOO to Marner. NOOOOO to Gaudreau. NOOOO to Zegras.

On 5/4/2024 at 3:02 PM, flyercanuck said:

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Calgary takes Iginla, he's ranked right around their pick. 

 

Celebrini isn't generational...neither is Bedard or Matthews. Think Jonathan Toews in his prime...that's Celebrini. I guy you can count on shorthanded, 5 on 5 or PP. A great 200 foot player.

I would crawl across the desert for a Jonathan Toews. He led the young Hawks to 3 Cups. 

15 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Gavin. 

 

See my post from yesterday in the Phantoms Flyers prospects thread. 

 

 

 

Thanks for the edit. I got a little jacked watching the GMG. 

I am now focused on the 2026 draft. Two years for the BITFU. Graham McKenna just led in goals scored at the U18 World Championship, AS A 16 YEAR OLD, including a hat trick in the gold medal game. This is my wish. 

They're goin' home!

3 hours ago, radoran said:

 

There are 22 active second round players who average .5 points per game or better. That's not even one per team (Dallas has two!)

 

Fun fact - Point was a third round pick.

 

There are 20 active third rounders who average .5 points per game or better. Again, not even one per team...

 

There are 158 active first rounders who average .5 points per game or better.

 

https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl-draft/en/round/1-round-draft-picks-active-players-all-time-points-per-game-leaders.html

 

We can "hope" for an impact player in the 2/3 round, but teams are made in the first round - usually near the top of the first round...

 

Moreover, adding "a Point" to this roster doesn't make them anywhere near a contender.

Point -Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman, Cooper =Laughton

I am far more inclined to trade TK than resign him. My crystal ball tells me he will get $80 mill over 8 years and be at the home for broken Flyers with Ellis, Couturier and Johansen in 3 years. It's the Flyer way.

Who's going to the retirement party?

Has anyone on this esteemed panel of hockey gurus ever been to Vorhees or the Wells Fargo Center in a shirt and tie? The reason I ask is this. A lot, and I mean a lot of respected hockey people have entered Flyerland and shortly after arriving in the hockey ops suites theis nuts have fallen off and their spines have turned to dust.  Curious if this happened to you too.

Why is this so hard for so many. There are 31 other teams in the league, some successful, some not. All the examples needed are right there in front of their faces, yet somehow the great Flyer mojo continues to get to neither, they just seem so happy to be mediocre forever. I would respect them a lot more if they got in front of a microphone and said 

" We know we suck, but it's our suck and we don't care what all you suckers, I mean season ticket holders think, we will continue to do it our misguided, assinine way as long as we want, and that's that."

After watching Danny B spew his bull crap Wednesday it's hard to think otherwise.

2 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

 

Yes, it's not just a matter of luck with rebuilds, but a matter of timing, and the right player is usually evident over a year from the draft, and sometimes earlier than that, in extreme cases like McDavid, and a few other kids granted exceptional status.

 

I caught this show with the Oilers, who picked #1 with Taylor Hall, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Nail Yakupov. Hall was skilled but interested only in himself, and Nugent-Hopkins is a very good all around player, but not a cornerstone. Then they picked Yakupov, who's so infuriating, that Brian Burke had to physically restrain one of his scouts from attacking the kid at the pre-draft interview.

 

It was only when they fluked their way to a lotto win with Connor McDavid that the right player came along.

All valid points, no argument here. However, 2 years away from a 50 year cup drought I would rather see a BITFU than stumble through another 14 years of this corporate bulls*#t mediocrity. I would prefer the small glimmer of hope of a few high draft picks over another round of Staal, Atkinson, Johnson, Ellis, Johansen, Couturier contract, etc etc etc. But thats just me. 

8 weeks of real hockey until Danny B tips his hand. I am not optimistic.

12 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

Brace for it you've been warned...

 

 

Another test for Danny Jones. Pass or fail?

18 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

 

Do you think maybe our scouts or player personnel should, I don't know, have a conversation with a potential draft pick before drafting them?   I mean, it's still always a crap shoot, but somehow "human resources" completely screwed up on Gauthier.

Without being in the room, it seems they did their due diligence with Michkov. Will we ever know what happened to Gauthier? Was it the dinosaur coach? Was it the suits upstairs? Whatever happened, it cost them a real asset.

I don't look at this season as a success in any way, other than the maturing of Foerester and York. They lost their #1 goalie, and one of 2 high end prospects. The GM got blinded by a playoff chase and missed a trade deadline opportunity to gather real assets. And last, the dinosaur coach embarrassed himself and several players. 

Laughton and TK are both now diminishing assets, Coots is now just a bad contract, Atkinson has zero value, and the 2 1st rounders may not ever reach 100 games played in the NHL combined. So is the team closer to the prize now compared to last October? In reality, probably farther away. The real hope, and it is a viable hope, is the amateur scouts knock it out of the park at the draft, and the organization properly develops and drafts some future men, not little entitled turds like Gauthier.

6 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Well, most of those were brought upon themselves by not having a very good goalie. 

But the hockey gods definitely do not smile upon this franchise. 

I think the hockey gods have been calling out to the Flyers for many years but nobody in hockey ops is listening. They think they know better.

4 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Well, we HAD a goalie that could do that....

It must be a rule in the CBA that the Flyers have a goalie issue every season. 

I really wished they had played like this all year. That wouldn't be tanking. That would just be sucking dirty air. And just sucking. And then drafting some talent. It's so simple. 

2 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

What would constitute a proper rebuild iyo?

Trading Konecny?

It seems to me the previous guy has hamstrung the new guys with some of the contracts he offered.

I don't know how a Couturier contract would get moved for instance.

 

Also, i agree that this management group won't go full Blackhawk. I'd be shocked if they did. 

 

 

IMHO, 2 things need to happen for the mediocrity to end. First they need to get out from under the albatross contracts. 2nd, they need 2 or 3 lottery drafts to get some high end talent. It doesn't have to be a tank, and if it was who cares. The last 14 years have been the worst in franchise history. The cupboards need to be emptied of old and overpaid slow and replaced with young and fast and a bit of snarl. 

I am a big fan of Koenecny, however his window is closing and the proper asset management move is to trade him. Otherwise you are looking at another bad contract 3 years from now. 

I have been around young hockey players for over 50 years, and as time has gone on, our youth has had less and less respect for seniority and experience. I say this as a preface to this. I don't think keeping a veteran so called leadership presence is as valuable as it once was. Young people today need to see you walk the walk, the talk doesn't do it. I don't believe Couturier and Atkinson are effective at all, I think the young guys get more out of Hathaway and Laughton. Just my opinion.

I like the Blackhawk model from a decade ago. Build a team of young studs, get a great generational leader in Johnathan Toews, and grow it together. 

Thats the rebuild model I would like to see.

Playing defence in the modern NHL game is EXTREMELY difficult. I am reluctant to cut bait with any of them. Honestly. My first move is buh bye to the coach. I would like to see a season of seasoning for these young guys both in the show and the AHL with some proper coaching from a development perspective, not from a run them into the ground perspective. Staal and Johnson gone, Seeler gone.

As for the forwards, Tipett, Foerster, Poehling, Hathaway keep. Adios to the rest. Some have value, some not. Nine firsts and seconds in the next 2 drafts. Should be able to find a couple of 3rd or 4th line guys picking 15th or later.

Goalies should be fine unless they keep the coach. In that case better get a veteran or 2. 

If you haven't sensed my sarcasm, I have zero faith that the GM does anything that indicates a proper rebuild. If the playoffs was the goal this deadline, why didn't he get a goalie at the deadline? This season has just been more of the same old dysfunction in Flyer junction. #1 goalie gone. #1 prospect gone. Lottery pick in the draft gone. Time for golf.

1 hour ago, CoachX said:

Joel Farabee = JVR 2.0

Farabee is what you get in the draft after a playoff push. Get ready for more of the same. Middle of the lineup mediocrity. But the playoff push is invaluable.