OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I don't even know why is thread has even grown to 5 pages discussing a clown who doesn't really have a spot on this team. A contract does not even you a spot on this team....you have to earn it from Giroux down to Vinny it will work itself out during camp....get use to it VLC will be a scratch more than likely Hak doesn't play favorites and he doesn't get caught up in who is making what. He will take the guys who give him the best 18 skaters on game day that he can muster to execute his system who can give him the most wins...period. He'll maybe have a hard time deciding who the other two scratches are but i'm pretty damn sure VLC will have one on lock down...because Hak is suppose to be a genius and time will tell but one thing he isn't is a miracle worker.... HE CAN'T MAKE VLC FASTER....SO HE WILL FETCH POPCORN...(sorry for yelling!) ......it is just how it is till Hexy can find someone to take him off his hands or an injury happens. And personally i don't give a crap what happens to VLC or what he thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 6 Pages of discussion around VLC! This could be another "Rinaldo" thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Welp, one again, Bill Meltzer seems to sum it up best. From today's column. One of the toughest parts of the business side of hockey is separating sentiment from doing what is best for a team. Additionally, quite often, players are the ones who are the least self-aware about why they find themselves in a certain situation. Players are driven to have a strong belief in themselves -- which is a good trait, except when it gets in the way of understanding why they are or are not cast in the role they desire.That seems to be the case with Flyers forward Vincent Lecavalier. He is a proud athlete who has had an excellent career. He is also a very likable human being. That said, Lecavalier seems to be in self-denial about why his career in Philadelphia has not been what he envisioned. It has often been said, including by Lecavalier himself, that the biggest reason he came to Philadelphia was the opportunity to play under then-coach Peter Laviolette's attack-based system. The reality, though, is that a player of Lecavalier's former stature should be able to produce under any system. Moreover, it is debatable if Lecavalier skated well enough by that juncture of his career to thrive even under Laviolette. We will never know, but I suspect that Lecavalier -- especially after he hurt his back during the 2013-14 season -- would have struggled every bit as much for Laviolette as he did for Craig Berube. In fact, a case could be made that Berube bent over backward the rest of that season to try to find a good fit for Lecavalier. He wasn't going to bump Claude Giroux as the top-line center but Lecavalier was otherwise tried just about everywhere else in the lineup -- second line center, second-line right winger, top-line left winger, third line center and right winger, fourth line center and power play specialist -- and nothing really clicked.Last season, Berube simply made up his mind that he wasn't going to disrupt an already inconsistent team by constantly moving Lecavalier around the lineup in search of chemistry. Even in a fourth-line role at even strength, Lecavalier got enough power play time to average 12:38 of total ice time per game; enough to at least produce sufficiently to challenge for a higher spot in the lineup. He didn't, so he ended up a frequent healthy scratch.It was not for lack of effort. Lecavalier clearly tried to do what was asked of him in his role -- keep things simpler, make safer plays so that he did not get caught too frequently on the wrong side of the puck. The problem stemmed from the fact that Lecavalier had to do those things in order to minimize his liabilities. He struggles with the skating pace of today's NHL game and he is a below-average defensive player. The one thing Lecavalier still does well is blast one-timers from a stationary position in the right circle. Last year, though, he wasn't finding the net with much frequency, even on 5-on-3 power plays. He also can finish in close to the net but he didn't get himself into the scoring areas enough even when there were opportunities.Moving Lecavalier higher in the lineup again was a non-option as the season progressed. In a structured system that emphasizes team defense and forwards keeping their feet moving, Lecavalier's pacing was not quick enough nor was he producing enough scoring chances to live with his defensive limitations. Perhaps Lecavalier would have eventually come around offensively -- the hands are still there -- but would it have helped the Flyers win more games, especially on the road? That's doubtful. New Flyers head coach Dave Hakstol has pledged to enter training camp with no prejudgments of any players. Everyone, including Lecavalier (assuming the Flyers cannot trade him before opening night), will get a clean slate. Keep in mind, however, that Hakstol fully intends to implement a highly structured system that, if anything, is more rigidly imposed than Berube's. Part of what cost "Chief" his job was a perceived tendency to cut a little too much slack to his top offensive forwards to overstay shifts and take risks. The "equal accountability for everyone" theme, especially in terms of discipline with and without the puck, is going to repeated constantly by Hakstol. Lecavalier recently told RDS, "I really just want to get my chance" to be a regular contributor to the lineup.The veteran will get that chance, but a change of head coach alone is not a panacea. What are the odds that Lecavalier can radically change his game -- get quicker, get significantly better defensively -- or least produce offensively at a regular clip to establish the sort of top-six role he still craves to play? From here, he still seems to be the wrong fit. It's no one's fault, but it probably the reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 The veteran will get that chance, but a change of head coach alone is not a panacea. What are the odds that Lecavalier can radically change his game -- get quicker, get significantly better defensively -- or least produce offensively at a regular clip to establish the sort of top-six role he still craves to play? From here, he still seems to be the wrong fit. It's no one's fault, but it probably the reality. Yes basically what i just said but more eloquently put............................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 The veteran will get that chance, but a change of head coach alone is not a panacea. What are the odds that Lecavalier can radically change his game -- get quicker, get significantly better defensively -- or least produce offensively at a regular clip to establish the sort of top-six role he still craves to play? From here, he still seems to be the wrong fit. It's no one's fault, but it probably the reality. This about sums up these five pages - VLC will get a chance. More than likely he will fail to live up to that chance. Keep in mind, however, that Hakstol fully intends to implement a highly structured system that, if anything, is more rigidly imposed than Berube's. I like this, but a ham sandwich is more "rigidly imposed" than Berube's "system" was. I'd like to see a coherent system with everyone pulling the same way. I haven't seen that for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Hexy will have no choice but to figure out a way and trade off some of these contracts if for nothing else future picks. Or trade off these contracts with future picks for "future considerations" The Flyers call that "Roenicking" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Or trade off these contracts with future picks for "future considerations" Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 THIS IS THE OFFICIAL END OF THIS THREAD - THE TOPIC IS NOW DEAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 No... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 It's.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Not. I agree i think we can easily get 5 more pages of arguments out of this squeeze it dry...it's either this or we'll just drag the Richie and Crater trades out again...what's it gonna be??????????????????????????? We have 2 months to kill.......................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I agree i think we can easily get 5 more pages of arguments out of this squeeze it dry... There's no way we can get five more pages out of this. That's just a ridiculous thing to say. the Richie and Crater trades out again Brind'amour for Primeau was a mistake. There, I said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no! I'd send a 3rd to get rid of Vinny or MacDud in a red hot second. #roenicking On topic: great to see Laughton working hard to get on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 There's no way we can get five more pages out of this. That's just a ridiculous thing to say. You must be new around here..................stick around and you'll learn some things!!! See we just added another page debating if we could get 5 more out this dead horse!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I'd send a 3rd to get rid of Vinny or MacDud™ in a red hot second. HA this isn't NHL 2015........sure in a fantasy land that happens.........come back to reality now....it's not going to happen just for a 3rd...no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 You must be new around here..................stick around and you'll learn some things!!! See we just added another page debating if we could get 5 more out this dead horse!!! There's really nothing more that can be said right now. Why would we just continue to go on and on about it? What is this? Some sort of web forum for hockey discussion? Madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 HA this isn't NHL 2015........sure in a fantasy land that happens.........come back to reality now....it's not going to happen just for a 3rd...no way. That's how they moved JR That was the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 There's really nothing more that can be said right now. Why would we just continue to go on and on about it? What is this? Some sort of web forum for hockey discussion? Madness. Rhetorical question shall we say.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGreatGazoo Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Rhetorical question shall we say.... Hey, you're the one that said we could get five more pages out of this. I still think you're crazy. There's no way this goes five more pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 That's how they moved JR That was the point Oh i know....i just want to pretend those days are over with...we'll just have to live with VLC and Mcdud's warts.....................i guess. VLC i heard makes a mean popcorn!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Hey, you're the one that said we could get five more pages out of this. I still think you're crazy. There's no way this goes five more pages. We'll see we are on 7 right now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Oh i know....i just want to pretend those days are over with...we'll just have to live with VLC and Mcdud's warts.....................i guess. VLC i heard makes a mean popcorn!!! I don't care about the warts. I care about the cap space. If they could move Pronger's contract, anything can happen. It's sort of like the "make the playoffs" of bad contract rationalizing. It would likely take more than a 3rd, yes. Because when they moved JR, there was no cap the receiving team had to deal with. But the Arizona Coyotes, Florida Panthers and New Jersey Devils franchises do exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I don't care about the warts. I care about the cap space. If they could move Pronger's contract, anything can happen. It's sort of like the "make the playoffs" of bad contract rationalizing. It would likely take more than a 3rd, yes. Because when they moved JR, there was no cap the receiving team had to deal with. But the Arizona Coyotes, Florida Panthers and New Jersey Devils franchises do exist. Yeah me either...hey best case scenario VLC comes in and is a good camper and proves he can play well and contribute some and improves his stock and help Hexy move.....worst case....well we already kind of know this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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