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@NRH  Klifford is a bit riskier pick than Tyler, but considering where we said they would score, *and* who would score, if either one of us is right, we should be called Swami for an entire year...LOL!

Can we be Swami's anyways?

K. Clifford beginning of the 4th OT

Why is it so many have needed to go elsewhere to make names for themselves?  Why not make that name with the Flyers?

 

I don't think Bryz is in that category though, his best days were with Phoenix.  Holmgren made the right decision on Leino, no need whatsoever  to pay him what he makes in Buffalo.  And Lupol was traded like Upshall to wake up Richards and Carter from their partying ways.

The environment doesn't seem to cater to them. How is it simply a coincidence that the moment they leave all their stats take considerable jumps? The problem isn't the players its clearly the system being fostered in Philly they don't mesh with. All this praise Bobs gets and I still don't think he'd have played as well in a philly uniform as he suddenly started playing in a Columbus one, even if he got the playing time he deserved.

Maybe if he scored like that in game 6 in 2010 Stanley Cup finals Flyers fans would be talking about the Flyers winning the cup 4 years ago instead of 39 years ago.

To be honest, the miracle leighton pulled off in the 2010 playoffs I don't think they fully deserved or were ready to be playing against the hawks that year and as it turned out when the second line stopped scoring and the first couldn't start and leighton started coming back down to earth the team was exposed.

My hate for Carter when he was in Philly is well known.  His floating, his lazy attitude, his play when I feel like it mentality, etc...

 

All that being said, he is arguably the best forward in LA these days.  He plays his butt off, works hard, and is on the ice in key situations.  Like @Vanflyer said, Sutter has gotten through to him, Carter has matured, and is a heck of a hockey player right now.

 

And like @murraycraven said...F Carter.  

I just don't think that Carter was in an environment to thrive (outside of Richards). Similar to players like Bryz and Bob, they needed to go elsewhere to make names for themselves. I feel players like Leino and Lupol would have been a better duo to keep(albeit one of them disappeared since he left). Williams would have been one worth keeping as well.

We may see this again.......guys have barf bags on hand please........

 

I don't think I'd need a barf bag, the guy needed a new scene and with his depature you got to see Giroux rise to prominence. Even if our new young captain sometimes doesn't lead from the front.

Soon there will be a sub-forum simply for bragging about users kids

Every sport applies more weight to something the moment the end result is discovered rather than punishing for the severity of the incident itself.

It was not the degree Joe, it was the result.

If I am speeding going 90 miles an hour and get a ticket that is one thing. If I am speeding and only going 70 in a 55 and run a red light and kill someone that is much worse. It is the result. If McCarty had injured Lemieux to the same degree as Bert and Moore I would agree with you. The end result makes the two cases not at all similar. The most similar in the history of the game would be the Dave Forbes/Henry Boucha incident in the seventies where Forbes blindsided Boucha and essentially near blinded him in one eye ending his career within a year or two.

This is a terrible analogy, you attribute breaking 1 law as less serve than breaking 3+ laws.  

The McCarty fight was far more violent with a lesser result not less violent with a worse result as is the case with Bertuzzi.

Should Pronger would be justified suing Mikhail Grabovski for ending his career? After all the concussion he caused Pronger was accidental just like the brain damage Bertuzzi caused Moore. The way it happened isn't important its the end result right?

Remember that small, supposedly speedy forward that played for Toronto and then was traded to Buffalo?  Dominic Moore.   He totally stunk for us.  And now he is on the winning side (so far at least) in round one.  What do you think of this guy?  I saw him live even and I was never impressed.  It kills me how some players are just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time.  So many great players do not win a Cup and so many non deserving ones get lucky and do.  Example of greats to not win one, and I will out of respect for the forum that is mostly Flyers mention Eric Lindros first.   If Lindros won one without me knowing please let me know.  i will mention Gilbert Perrault, Marcel Dionne.  Lets switch sports.  Marino and Kelly.  Yet Doug Williams (remember him) and that Ravens QB, not Flacco and Trent Dilfer do.  Team sports.  Nature of the beast.  Another guy that totally stunk for us was Regehr for the Kings.  Long time Calgary Flame.  And I have to throw Jordan Leopold in.  Sure he would  get you a goal once in a while.  But he would also let the other team get 5 by lazy non existent defense.  Just burns you to see these guys moving on in the playoffs only because they were in the right place and some dumb GM does not know any better.  But guys like these can make you pay at the worst of times.  Like Butler did to us in game 7 vs the Flyers.  Is he still in Calgary?  Or in the AHL?

Doug Williams is a lot like Leino, Nobody knew who the hell he was until he set the play-offs on fire and after that everyone knew exactly how to squash him.

I think everyone is on the same path with Crosby walking away with it.

It's also a shame that Stamkos only played 37 games this year.

Most of these players should have been out a year or two ago.

But if we are getting rid of homer, can we send Jeff Reese with him?

@brelic

 

Lets hope they start winning some of the remaining games otherwise they could find themselves on the outside looking in, Columbus is 2 points behind them for 3rd in the division and New Jersey is 5 points back. As long as they match Columbus over the remaining  5 games then they'll end up playing the Rangers in the first round, if Columbus gets past them they could easily end up playing the Bruins which they don't want.

I think the end result is someone is going to have to beat the Bruins to make the Cup anyways.

Andy Brown

@doom88

I refer you to the link comparing production between Streit and Timmonen. That said everything there was to say.

I refer you to Shea Weber and the fact that 38 year old Kimmo outscored him.

Just build the net into the back of the hockey rink like an indoor soccer goal.

I really hope he plays another year at a much reduced role/cap hit.  Throw him in as a 4th dman or maybe even 3rd pairing depending on how he goes this year.  He can still move the puck well, provide solid leadership, and command a lot of respect on the ice.

Unless we get to the finals, I don't see him coming back for 1 more year.

   Possible the Flyers found a few diamonds in the rough here.

Hopefully they shine for us and not someone else.

@NRH  Easy to point out that Richards totaled 2 pts in the finals. What you are conveniently doing though, is leaving out the proper context that lead to the finals slump. Mike played the whole 2010 season with badly injured left AND right shoulders. In fact, as soon as the finals were over, he had surgery on both bad shoulders. It was a heroic effort, the ENTIRE 2010 playoffs. To suggest anything else is wrong. To pile on the guy once his body finally gave out....and point a finger towards his 2 pt final, when he carried the team from the start of those playoffs, that's being more than nit-picky. You are tying to distort what really happened to fit your argument that he does not produce in the playoffs, and for me, that's offbase.

 

  Even discounting the BADLY inured shoulders, he was outplayed by Toews....and there is no shame in that. Toews was healthy and on top of his game, and when he is in that groove, there is no player that can stop him.

Fair enough, He did manage 5 points against the NJD the following year in (5) games? 

He seems awfully fragile for a 1st line center as well which could have been another factor in trying to shed him to another team, he was also hurt in these most recent play-offs missing most of the Blackhawk games.

NRH, I don't gang up on people, I type what I think. You said they were crap in the playoffs, then changed in the face of facts. I mentioned Lappy as an example of a player who had immeasurable contributions, albeit doesn't light up a basic stat sheet.

If you feel people are teaming up against you, either you're wrong, or need more proof and courage. Crying about anyone needing reinforcements is bs and you know it.

If I recall correctly, Richards needed surgery immediately after the series, and was asked to be more of a checker than scorer.

If Carter doesn't miss that shot though...

Actually no, my argument never changed, He disappeared in those finals, at least 10 of those 77 points came in scoring barrages in the first rounds he has been in over the years. Was Danny B's stat line that impressive knowing that he scored most of those against MAF but then disappeared against the Devils?

I like Richards as a 2nd line guy, but for a 1st line center to score 2 points in 5 games? That's bad in the regular season much less the play-offs.

Yes, he did play with heart like Lappy and a few others, but just like with Brindamor, only the fans want players that come to play everyday.

What do you think is more likely, having several players who were good enough or capable enough of being legit #1s and the coaching staff ruined them, or we simply have not had guys who are good enough to carry the load on their own? Looking around the league and the number of true superstar goalies, I'm gonna go with option 2. You?

Considering one of those goalies just won the Vezina the moment he left?

Or that one of them had won 40 games in multiple season before coming here?

Or that one of them one a cup after leaving here and is coming back?

I dunno, out of all the coaches I think the Assistant coach is being overlooked, Reese is being given the benefit of the doubt and Lavi is being criticized rather than fired. But there aren't that many coaches available to simply replace the staff we have, its easier to just swap players around every year until you make magic happen.

You never realize how big a player is until you stick him next to ordinary sized humans.

Or Martin St.Louis

NRH, you are changing your argument as you go. It's okay to be wrong. Richards was a damn good playoff performer, beyond the stat sheet. Or do you mean to tell me guys like Lappy are crap because they don't put up a point per game?

I don't see where my argument changed or where I brought up Lappy or what Lappy has to do with Mike Richards scoring 2 points against the Hawks in the finals, how you don't think that's a disappearing act is beyond me.

Its okay to be wrong and I suppose its also okay to be an Apologist for a man that just disappeared when his team needed him the most. Where as the older 2nd line player in Danny Briere scored 12 points in those 5 games or the Rookie Ville Leino scored 9 points .

You still have time to text all your friends and get them back in here to unify your opinions and refocus your assault on someone who challenged the popular opinion.

@NRH  Richards has 77 pts in 98 career playoff games, including double digit pts every year he played past the first 2 rounds. He's a solid playoff contributor.

How many of those points are in the finals?

I'm not saying .79 PPG isn't a good contribution, but during his finals with us he scored 1 goal and another assist.

Including those finals and moving beyond it? 6 points in 12 games.

So yea, Both of them may be solid, but they often flame out in the finals and if it wasn't for the supporting cast, LAK wouldn't have been quite as dominate as they were that year.

The disappearing act that Carter/Richards do in the play-offs every single year would be more enough for me to have pause about paying them that much money.