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5 minutes ago, ruxpin said:

"they are there."

Which apparently Lindros could never figure out or rmember when it came to Stevens......much to his detriment.

17 hours ago, radoran said:

 

And I get that. I grew up a Flyers fan. I know what the "fanbase wants".

 

But there hasn't been a "fighting" team that has won a Stanley Cup in... generations?

 

"Tough to play against" doesn't mean "has a goon who will drop the gloves" it means controlling the play, controlling the puck, scoring goals, and winning hockey games.

 

CAN a fight change momentum? Sure. But if we're honest, we've all seen it go both ways. If you're already a losing club, having a clown show doesn't make you tough to play against.

 

Not to mention there ain't many hockey moms and dads who are taking their kids out the games to see a fight these days.

I agree with you on all points, actually.  There hasn't been -- which is why I've been posting that the Flyers have got to learn to adapt to play, compete, and win in this new era, sans fighting.  They can't rest on those laurels anymore.  When I was posting about CoachX's theory, which I don't necessarily endorse (that's just my opinion and he's welcome to his), I was being facetious when saying that if the plan is to put a fighting team on the ice, at least I hope they can win at that -- because I'm not entirely convinced they can execute that strategy successfully and even win fights, or a fight, the way things are going with this team at this time.  

On 7/21/2022 at 9:57 AM, radoran said:

 

Well, they're apparently going to test this theory...

 

If he does fight "15 times" then fans have around a 1 in 5 chance of going to a home game in which he might drop the gloves.

 

Seems worth the ~$400+ investment to take a family of four to the game...

 

Spend ~$2,000 and you're almost guaranteed a fight.

 

#hockey

Great post!  CoachX's theory may be somewhat more compelling or entertaining if they're going to win their fights.  If the Flyers fight and lose that's just like rubbing salt in the wound and you're out quite a bit of money for nothing.  Money for nothin' and your chicks for free....according to the Dire Straits.  I just hope they can win at something even if it is a season of fighting instead of competitive, quality hockey!!

On 7/21/2022 at 9:21 AM, CoachX said:

I think you missed my point completely.  You want wins. I want wins. But that ship has sailed. They cannot win with this current roster. We know it, they know it, the league knows it. So knowing they cannot realistically win, and could only slightly improve if some young players mature, they need to find a way to energize interest. People aren't going to come watch if they add another young player who is learning and finding his way. The end of last season showed that. They needed a "gimmick". Something to garner interest. Philly fans live fights, and they love fighters. Even if the team doesn't improve in the wins column, there will be more interest in watching if they think something exciting will take place

I totally got your point, I just think it's highly debatable.  I use myself as an example -- would I tune in more, sign up again for another season of center ice just to see more fights.  Nope.  Would I be interested in, or more likely to watch younger players play, learn, and develop?  Probably.  I do agree that they can't win with this current roster, so we have that in common.

On 7/19/2022 at 3:25 PM, CoachX said:

Hockey teams have had guys like this on their rosters forever. The Flyers have had more tan their fair share

 

I think you're so grumpy at the state of the Flyers right now, you'd argue they are really fro Philadelphia

Have "had" guys like this.  Had being the key word there.  Unfortunately, in the new NHL which isn't so new anymore, though maybe it still is to the Flyers because God knows they've had trouble adjusting, players like this don't add much to a winning formula anymore, if anything.  Once upon a time they could dominate on the ice, as the Flyers did of old, and that'd help you win games.  I loved watching the old Flyers.  They were good at that game and they won.  Now, not so much.  Now I just want the Flyers to win games and win how the NHL dictates you must win.  And that means changing the formula which the Flyers haven't managed to figure out and do yet.  It's time, Flyers.  Get with the new program and rebuild, retool, re-whatever, accordingly.  Just win games.  And don't sign players like this to do it.  It doesn't work.

On 7/15/2022 at 11:18 AM, radoran said:

 

So, I'm obviously on board with this concept, but let's face it, dumping ol' Fletch just leaves the people who... hired Chuck Fletcher to "fix" things.

 

And they have proven manifestly incapable of doing so.

 

So, yes, by all means, fire Chuck Fletcher. But if we stop there, things aren't likely going to be much different.

Exactly this.  Fletch is a huge problem but the even bigger problem is the people who hired him.  The entire organization is dysfunctional.

57 minutes ago, radoran said:

 

They have never adapted to the cap that they helped force the league to adopt.

 

It doesn't matter if a player "wants to come here" if they can't fit him under the cap. By all accounts Gaudreau wanted to play here. Thankfully, they weren't able to get it done but it appears that the only thing that stopped it was not giving up a potential top 5 pick to move JVR...

Totally agree on the cap - nothing can ever happen if they can't make it work under the cap.  Stupid cap!!  If he really did want to be here, then it really is Fletcher's fault for mismanaging things so badly that he couldn't figure out how to make it work.  And Hextall's, and Holmgren's, and Clarke Part Deux.  It's a problem that's been compounded by every GM since Farwell.

But it sure feels to me, from the outside looking in and I have no knowledge of anything at all, but it feels to me like the organization is at best disorganized and at worst toxic. I think players can feel that.  Who's offering me the best chance to win with all the pieces and parts --- and it's not this organization. 

Fletcher has been consistently out GM'd by every other GM in the League.  The problem in Philly is not just his own personal shortcomings and ineptitude as a manager, but the even bigger problem that nobody in ownership or the organization as a whole seems to know how to build and run a program, after Snider died, does anyone inside even care anymore?  The team has become an afterthought, a sideshow.

Why did Gaudreau go to the Blue Jackets (which I don't mind because it'll be fun to watch him play)?  Because he wanted to have fun.  Because the organization has its schite together.  Until the Flyers can fix the organization from top to bottom - with the GM being just one cog on the wheel - they will forever bumble and never be competitive.  It's my opinion that they never fully adapted to or recovered from the change in League rules Bettman made over a decade ago.  And, in this era of salary caps for whatever reason, they just can't figure it out - maybe too many moving pieces.  But if we can do it on this board, I mean come on.  I've read so many good posts from all of you that we could put together a better team. 

Don't get me wrong - I loved watching the old Flyers, best hockey ever.  But as much as I hate to say it, and stating the obvious, they haven't been competitive for 20 years and they are no longer an organization that players want to play for.  They're an organization that other teams take advantage of every time we shoot ourselves in the foot.  If I'm Gaudreau why do I want to come here?  Regardless of length of contract or salary or whatever the offer is.  I'm a no every time.

15 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

Never been a Torts fan, but it could have been a lot worse. That's about as optimistic as you'll get from me at this stage. I'd bet he doesn't last the 4 years.

Same here. But particularly after seeing him in action up close and on the Columbus, Ohio (where I live) media outlets on a regular basis with the Blue Jackets. He'll lose the locker room and implode. As a Flyers fan, I was pretty happy when he was announced as coach of the Jackets, figuring they were going to get what they deserved. They had some success but it was sporadic and ultimately was not sustainable. He wore out his welcome quickly. I was hoping the Flyers would do better. He won't last. They need stability through yet another rebuild and I'm afraid they won't get it with this guy. Torts is his own biggest fan. If he can check or reign in his ego, it might be interesting to watch, and he may have some modicum of success. He's an arrogant prick, though.

On 2/3/2022 at 3:12 PM, radoran said:

 

Fletcher is a deck chair. Deck chairs don't change the course of an organization...

 

But icebergs do.  We need an iceberg.

2 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

After today we are one point away from the 5th pick…

And there's about a 95% chance they'll screw that up too.

2 hours ago, Mad Dog said:

 

That's the sad reality.  Buffalo is in a traditional rebuilding mode, and they are going about it the right way.  They have a future goalie stud in Luukkonen (that kid will be a star in this league), and a good, solid group of young players, like Tuch, Thompson, Cozens, Krebs, Jack Quinn, Asplund, Jokiharju, and Dahlin.  Some of them will be phenomenal players. Give this team 2-3 years and time to develop, and with a good coach and patience, the Sabres *can* be scary good.  

 

The Flyers' current state is sad and depressing, because there is no direction.  I wouldn't mind for them to suck for several years if there was a plan.  But there isn't one.  Its a disaster.  Demolish it, get rid of rubble, grade the site, and start building from scratch.  There won't be a better opportunity for than than now. 

They've been sucking for several years....at least ten, and rebuilding for several years.  I've been waiting at least a decade for the rebuild to end. Every season it's the same.  Wait a couple more seasons. That's all it'll take. Then. Oh, we just need a couple of more seasons. I'm now over 50 and wondering if I'll ever see the end of it. I feel too much like Charlie Brown falling for Lucy's line of crap that she'll really hold the football this time. Really. She will. Well I ain't buying it with this team anymore. What's the plan, Phil!?

Watching the game tonight. Why, I don't know. Like train wrecks I suppose. Anyway, noticing Yeo behind the bench.  The guy looks petrified. Lost. No confidence. Even my 9-year old son noted it.  This does not bode well. 

Tough break, indeed. Just seems to be our luck. Right when they were clicking. Good news, though, for those with injuries. They'll have some time to heal.

So both these guys, Grant and Thompson, are great penalty killers.  Does this mean the Flyers are planning on taking more penalties as the season winds down?  What don't we know?????  Hmmmm.........

53 minutes ago, Digityman said:

 

That's some really good news.  Cautious but good news.  

That is good news and I'm glad he's skating. I'd love for him to get through this.  But, and there's always one of those, I wonder how his head is going to feel the first time he gets hit or knocked into the boards multiple times throughout the course of a game.  It's the contact I'm worried about - even if he is cleared for it.

As an eternal optimist, I'd like to note that at least whatever may have happened, it didn't involve a Porsche........

AV doesn't have that deer-in-the-headlights look that Haskol always seemed to have standing behind the bench.

3 hours ago, MaineFlyFan said:

I think it's time for our GM to address this issue in public

I'd love to see this.  Put the conspiracy rumors to bed.  Call out the League on its biased inconsistency.

The League clearly still has a bias against the Flyers.  There is no consistency or fairness.  There is no equal application of or treatment under the law.  Just look at TK.  Hey Bettman, Flyers Lives Matter!!

Is Ghost performing at a level that will get a good return?  I'm afraid we may be selling low there.  Other teams may see his potential. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery.  Guaranteed he'll take off and play lights out, though, for whatever team he's traded to. That's the Flyer way!!  I'd shop Giroux. He's underperforming this season too. Definitely off his pace. But we might be able to get something decent in return.....before it's too late. If it isn't already. 

15 hours ago, mkscrewy said:

Kuato yeah, but wasn’t there was one other one too? Not (just) Buffalo Rick. 

I think Buffalo Rick also made the transition to this site......

On 9/26/2019 at 8:26 PM, OccamsRazor said:

But I have a say to and I am getting anxious as hell about moving this kid as soon as I got a decent offer.

I don't see anyone making an offer.  The risk is enormous considering the return.  Maybe there's a return several years from now when he can get the issue under control through medication, or maybe it never gets under control.  I think we're stuck.

15 hours ago, mojo1917 said:

you got some lottery numbers too ?

hook a brother up !

Just the eternal pessimistic Flyers fan!