jammer2 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 @flyercanuck You just counter pointed with all my exact thoughts as I read through his post..some of them word for word. Don't think I would have gone through all that trouble, but glad you did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 @flyercanuck "Location and culture can have a huge effect on money. Is it just a coincidence then, that the countries that spend the most on the Olympics just happen to have the best athletes....until some other country decides to spend a ton on the Olympics and then magically they do?" Ding, ding......ding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRH Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I still fail to see how Olympic funding is winning us golds every 4 years when clearly you're saying its the opportunities our parents provided us and that is the main reason you believe we should force our athletes to suffer as amateurs just to represent their nation on a global scale simply because small nations can't afford it. If the sport is determined it's future pros at such a young age then Olympic funding shouldn't be viewed as such a tremendous advantage since they've already had their talent fostered to its height.Also, do you have an example of a nation completely unknown in a sport suddenly winning multiple golds because they flooded that sport with money? America has tried desperately to do this with many sports to no avail, including some of those "cheap" sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Also, do you have an example of a nation completely unknown in a sport suddenly winning multiple golds because they flooded that sport with money?China -- SwimmingBasically in the US parents fund the majority of a kids training until they get to a level in which a specific sports association will sponsor them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRH Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) China -- SwimmingBasically in the US parents fund the majority of a kids training until they get to a level in which a specific sports association will sponsor them.What events? Phelps won 8 medals in 2008 when china spent a lot of money on the Olympics for their national pride and exposure and the French and a few other America's were still the big names of the 312 swimming events. Edited July 25, 2013 by NarrowRoadHeros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 What events? Phelps won 8 medals in 2008 when china spent a lot of money on the Olympics for their national pride and exposure and the French and a few other America's were still the big names of the 312 swimming events.read this: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90779/8082785.htmland the point is China spent a lot of $$$$ no? went from basically nothing before 2008 to the second most medals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRH Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 read this: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90779/8082785.htmland the point is China spent a lot of $$$$ no? went from basically nothing before 2008 to the second most medals.They actually started a program to specifically foster the talents that had the best chance for gold. this program was going on as soon as they were confirmed as the host nation. They were at the top of the medal count because they went after obscure sports and used supposedly underaged girls for the gymnastic events which netted them a ton of medals. The six medals in swimming doesn't seem to be a huge surge to the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 They actually started a program to specifically foster the talents that had the best chance for gold. this program was going on as soon as they were confirmed as the host nation. They were at the top of the medal count because they went after obscure sports and used supposedly underaged girls for the gymnastic events which netted them a ton of medals. The six 10 medals in swimming doesn't seem to be a huge surge to the top.Yes. isn't this then an example of pouring a ton of money into a sport to gain Olympic results? There swimmers are all young. Wait for 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRH Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 while that's a possibility I find it more likely they wont flood that money into a program quite like that until they host another Olympics, which will likely land in France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 @Canada won 15 gold medals, total, in 16 Winter Olympic games leading to Albertville. When Vancouver was awarded the 2010 winter Olympics, Canada started a program called "Own the Podium" where,they decided to fund Canadian athletes like never before. The result? Most gold medals ever by a country in Winter Olympics with 14. Was that a direct result of funding? I'd say it's pretty obvious.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NRH Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) So the nation that was already winning golds put more money into it to keep winning games is your trumpting example? Edited July 25, 2013 by NarrowRoadHeros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 @When you win 15 gold over 64 years, then win 14 in ONE Olympic, which you just so happened to throw a crapload of money at, ya, that's an example. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammer2 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 @When you win 15 gold over 64 years, then win 14 in ONE Olympic, which you just so happened to throw a crapload of money at, ya, that's an example. Great point, when Canada made it a priority to improve AND kicked in the cash needed, medals flowed like we have never seen in the past, the almighty buck was poured into our Winter Olympic progams and we got immediate results. A clear direct corelation between cash and medals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 @When you win 15 gold over 64 years, then win 14 in ONE Olympic, which you just so happened to throw a crapload of money at, ya, that's an example.So just to clarify, you're saying that almost matching your 64 year output with just one year means you're doing better? Now you're just talking crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 @ruxpin Ya, I know. And the fact they put waaaaaaaay more money into it has nothing to do with it. Everything just coincidently all came together for us, in spite of the dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 @ruxpinYa, I know. And the fact they put waaaaaaaay more money into it has nothing to do with it. Everything just coincidently all came together for us, in spite of the dollars.You say. But I bet you can't come up with an example to prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 @ruxpin Excellent point. I give up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxpin Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 @ruxpinExcellent point. I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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