brelic Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) Love it. Really nice deal for a solid top 9 forward who can play all positions and is a strength defensively.Kinda leaves me scratching my head as to why B Schenn is without a contract. Edited March 24, 2014 by radoran split from a Raffl thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Love it. Really nice deal for a solid top 9 forward who can play all positions and is a strength defensively.Kinda leaves me scratching my head as to why B Schenn is without a contract. Could also have to do with "tagging space" etc. and whether or not they can fit the extension number under the cap rightnow. He's RFA so there's no real concern (unless you think he could be offer sheeted). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brelic Posted March 24, 2014 Author Share Posted March 24, 2014 Could also have to do with "tagging space" etc. and whether or not they can fit the extension number under the cap rightnow. Capgeek has them with a $59M committed payroll next year, so that's not it. He's RFA so there's no real concern (unless you think he could be offer sheeted). I'm not worried about offer sheeting either. It's just curious that the Flyers would make sure they lock up Couturier, Read, Raffl, Mason, but not Schenn. They've got the room, but it seems something is preventing them from signing him in-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Capgeek has them with a $59M committed payroll next year, so that's not it. No, I mean the "extension" provisions - IIRC they have to have room under this year's cap to sign extensions and capgeek has them at $0 projected space. I'm not worried about offer sheeting either. It's just curious that the Flyers would make sure they lock up Couturier, Read, Raffl, Mason, but not Schenn. They've got the room, but it seems something is preventing them from signing him in-season. Raffl and Read were pending UFAs? Again, not sure they have "all the room" that Schenn might be looking for rightnow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Raffl, strangely, was an RFA. I'm guessing because of his age. Tagging rule just means that they have to fit all committed salaries next year under the current cap number, not the projected 71 million number, until the new cap becomes official. ie, you treat next year's cap like it's exactly the same as this year - giving the Flyers a little under $5 million in "tagging room" for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Raffl, strangely, was an RFA. I'm guessing because of his age. Tagging rule just means that they have to fit all committed salaries next year under the current cap number, not the projected 71 million number, until the new cap becomes official. ie, you treat next year's cap like it's exactly the same as this year - giving the Flyers a little under $5 million in "tagging room" for next year. I've been searching for this but... Do you know if LTIR is projected forward? I don't believe it is - in which case the Pronger contract could be having an effect of eating up that $5M pretty darn quick. Good call on Raffl - could have sworn as a FA he was UFA next year. No worries either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Pronger's salary is already projected forward. That 5ish million remains AFTER it is taken into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Pronger's salary is already projected forward. That 5ish million remains AFTER it is taken into account. Doing the math, then - they have about $4.5M ($4,575,644) including Pronger ($64.1M cap, $59.5M NY Payroll). Given that, could be that we see a deal in the relatively near future - if they can get him signed for under $4M or so. Unless there are some other provisions (IIRC "tagging space" also includes pro-rated two-way deals and all one-ways). They may need to simply wait until the off-season exemption kicks in to finalize the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Doing the math, then - they have about $4.5M ($4,575,644) including Pronger ($64.1M cap, $59.5M NY Payroll). Given that, could be that we see a deal in the relatively near future - if they can get him signed for under $4M or so. Unless there are some other provisions (IIRC "tagging space" also includes pro-rated two-way deals and all one-ways). They may need to simply wait until the off-season exemption kicks in to finalize the deal?All of that sounds right. Homer might be leaving a little space for trades at the draft too. No real rush on B Schenn, although I'd feel more comfortable with him signed. Don't want to see an offer sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 All of that sounds right. Homer might be leaving a little space for trades at the draft too. No real rush on B Schenn, although I'd feel more comfortable with him signed. Don't want to see an offer sheet. The RFA compensation $3.3-$5M is a 1st and a 3rd (or was, might be slightly higher). I gotta imagine the Flyers match up to there. Someone offers $5M+ do you take the 1/2/3? Interesting conundrum. Basically, I don't think he gets a sheet for more than $5M and that he's a Flyer next season (barring trade). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 The cap has traditionally been set in late june before the draft, so at the draft the Flyers will ahve the exact number and be operating under that, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 The RFA compensation $3.3-$5M is a 1st and a 3rd (or was, might be slightly higher). I gotta imagine the Flyers match up to there.Someone offers $5M+ do you take the 1/2/3?Interesting conundrum.Basically, I don't think he gets a sheet for more than $5M and that he's a Flyer next season (barring trade).I match through 5m, and further depending on where I think the first rounder will fall in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I match through 5m, and further depending on where I think the first rounder will fall in the draft.I'm just trying to envision who might be interested in giving up a 1/2/3 for Schenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I'm just trying to envision who might be interested in giving up a 1/2/3 for MacDonald (and, given that he rejected the Islanders, who he might actually sign with...).You mean B Schenn right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 You mean B Schenn right? Yah... I had conflated them in a previous thread regarding cap/tagging space. Sorry I'm just trying to envision who might be interested in giving up a 1/2/3 for Schenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Yah... I had conflated them in a previous thread regarding cap/tagging space. Sorry I'm just trying to envision who might be interested in giving up a 1/2/3 for Schenn Any playoff team that plans to stay there for a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Any playoff team that plans to stay there for a year?So, of those - who needs a Top Six center? Pittsburgh? Chicago? Boston? Anaheim? San Jose? St. Louis? Don't see them in the plans. Maybe Detroit takes a run? Tampa? Phoenix? The good thing for the Flyers as I see it is that the player has to want to leave. Honestly, of the teams in the boat you describe, the Flyers are among the best options both for the player and the position. If I'm Schenn, I'm not sure I'm signing with what's more or less a perennial bubble team. Detroit might pique my interest. But unless it's stupid money, I just don't know that I sign it. It'll be interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 (edited) So, of those - who needs a Top Six center? Pittsburgh? Chicago? Boston? Anaheim? San Jose? St. Louis? Don't see them in the plans. Maybe Detroit takes a run? Tampa? Phoenix? The good thing for the Flyers as I see it is that the player has to want to leave. Honestly, of the teams in the boat you describe, the Flyers are among the best options both for the player and the position. If I'm Schenn, I'm not sure I'm signing with what's more or less a perennial bubble team. Detroit might pique my interest. But unless it's stupid money, I just don't know that I sign it. It'll be interesting... Nashville signs him to a 6 year, 36 million dollar offer sheet as thanks for the Weber fiasco. Edited March 24, 2014 by AJgoal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Nashville signs him to a 6 year, 36 million dollar offer sheet as thanks for the Weber fiasco. Well, sure, I could see that. And that means Flyers get Nashville's (probably Top 10 - currently 8(?)) pick plus two more high picks in subsequent rounds. Again, though the player needs to want to sign the deal. Does Schenn want to go to the #22 team in the NHL? He might... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Money talks. We will see unfortunately. On the bright side, he does have to sign the offer sheet, so there is that hurdle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Money talks. We will see unfortunately. On the bright side, he does have to sign the offer sheet, so there is that hurdle. I do think they can get a handshake agreement done prior, but Homer has shown that handshakes are worth the paper they are printed on. I think Schenn wants to be here, which bodes well. If someone offers him 6/$6M he's gone IMO. (Of teams who rightnow don't have the 1/2/3 in the 2015 draft needed to make such an offer - Rags, Blues, Kings, Isles, Leafs, Sabres, Oilers, Sens, Pens). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Agreed rad, 36m/6yr is probably the threshold. Maybe lower only if it is a bottom feeder team that could return a top 5 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 · Hidden by radoran, March 24, 2014 - unnecessary w Edit :) Hidden by radoran, March 24, 2014 - unnecessary w Edit :) I'd put it a little lower (@jammer2 suggested $6M and another (apologies) compared him to Faulk's deal in Carolina).At $5M+ (just a little above) they move into the 1/2/3 category. I really don't see anyone who would be giving up 1/2/3 for Andrew MacDonald.I've been wrong before, as you know B Schenn. Link to comment
radoran Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 B Schenn. yeah, I realized I screwed that up AGAIN and that's when I went in to split up the darn threads Was coming back to make the change, and you beat me to it. Obv. trying to do FAR TOO MUCH at the same time today lol Right, back to the actual topic (I is an idjit lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Lol it's all good. I'm just trying to keep up with all of the updates today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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