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You may be right but that also holds true for just about every other team in the league that isnt a contender!

I'd add Vinny to that list as well.

I will never totally jump ship as a Flyers fan. I bleed orange and black, but my frustration has hit new heights. Furthermore, I have followed them for so long and have been so dedicated that when I get into frustration levels this high it is not healthy for me as it affects my day to day mood and that is not fair to my family. So I will still follow and love the Flyers from a distance for a little while but living in NorCal I think I will be spending a lot more time watching the Sharks this year. (Admittedly, watching the Sharks can be just as frustrating but I dont care as much so it doesnt affect me as much!)

I got my first real look at the Flyers tonight (hadnt seen any games yet, only read about the preseason and game 1 on this board so I hijacked the game tonight and got to watch about 30 minutes of it and I was embarrassed to be a Flyers fan in those 30 minutes. I know that is an incredibly small sample but I gotta say that from what I saw, this team is flat out terrible. Vinny aside I saw nothing from this team that makes me believe we will even make the playoffs this year. If you look at individual talent on this team there is no reason that should be the case so you gotta start to point the finger at coaching and preparation. Giroux looks like he has absolutely no businees being a captain and looks totally lost. (I cringed when they made him C last year and thouhgt it was a HUGE mistake and it appears that I was right. The kid has absolutely crumbled under the pressure of wearing the C and may not recover.) Our D is not capable of moving the puck and taking advantage of some of the skilled forwards that we have. Our goaltending seems to be actually decent and I cant fault them for these first 2 losses but they also obviously havent been able to steal a game. I fear we are in for a very long season, except for Lavy, who is in for a very a short season most likely. Sigh.

cmon Rad, . If he brings legit conversation to the board I am more than happy to engage in real hockey talk but I dont think that is what he was looking for.

It probably would be best if you did let inanimate objects speak for you. Detroit won 7 of their 11 Cups before the NHL expansion. Since the Flyers came in to the league the tally is Detroit 4, Flyers 2. Obviously I would prefer those numbers to be reversed but I hope werent expecting me to be impressed by your Cup count. If you were a Montreal fan you would have a leg stand on with their 9 Cups SINCE the expansion.

So far your first 2 posts on the Flyers board this season have been very informative. Clearly you are one of the great hockey minds that Detroit has to offer. Bring something to the table or go away.

You forgot Tony Luke's which blows the doors off of Pat's and Geno's and Jim's and Bob's and......(let the great steak debate begin!!!!)

I stopped reading here.

@aziz Great minds think alike! You just type faster than I do!

Why? Cap hit is 4.5, That is not that bad for all that Vinny can bring to the table and there are other pieces that would be moved before we would be forced to let go of one of the kids. I think Mez is gone, maybe for a bag of pucks, but I take Vin over Mez any day of the week. (and yes I know we need D, but we dont need D that only can play a handful of games a year.)

Just like Pissburgh and Boston thought they had done when signing Morrow, Iginla, Murray and Jagr?

I agree with this.

As an objective observer, you dont think the flyers could benefit from LeCavalier? For the experience, leadership, and skill set that he still brings to the table I dont think the contract is that bad. We may not like the last year or so of the contract but I can live with that and for those of us who saw how tremendously the young kids benfited from Jagr's presence, I almost like this signing for that component alone. This signing may not have been good for other teams but i dont mind it for the Flyers. I still think we pick up another D man to address that concern and who knows with the goalie situation but as Flyers fans, we are used to that!!

I really dont understand all the hatred on this signing. Vinny still has a lot in the tank in my opinion and will probably be re-vitalized on a new team, has a cup and veteran leadership to bring to the young guys, 5 years at 4.5 is not that deep, and I dont think he was going to sign ANYWHERE without a NMC to end his career. The young guys will still get plenty of ice time and they have a cup winning, veteran that proabably feels he still has something to prove and lead by example. I like this signing. I dont love it but I do like it.

Not a chance in france you get Horton for 4.5 mil a year. He is going to be closer to 6 mil. I really dont understand all the hatered on this signing. Vinny still has a lot iin the tank in my opinion, has a cup and veteran leadership to bring to the young guys, 5 years at 4.5 is not that deep,and I dont think he was going to sogn ANYWHERE without a NMC to oend his career. I like this signing. I dont love it but I do like it.

PS - "Fire all the things!"

This could be the best thread ever!

well played.

No to this. LeWang is a talented offensive defenseman but there is no way the Flyers should entertain this. I want no part of what is going to be a huge contract for such a one-sided player.

You forgot to add Crosby whining.

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Sounds a bit high to me but you may be right.