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4 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

I could put up worse stats than that for half that money!

There was once a goalie that was 3.02/.899 in the regular season and 8.11/.722 in the playoffs...

... the year before Homer traded Sergei Bobrovsky.

He then put up 1.94/.932 in the KHL and 2.00/.922 in the NHL the next year.

He's now a two time Vezina winner backstopping a Cup favorite this year.

Can you do that for half the money?

4 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

I know Kolosov has to be nodding and licking his lips after that contract!!!

He has his three year entry level deal to get through before he gets to taste it.

3 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

https://www.quanthockey.com/khl/seasons/khl-goalies-stats.html

 

https://www.quanthockey.com/khl/seasons/khl-goalies-stats.html

Yeah, I quoted my sources, acknowledged my playoff/regular season mistake, and posted new numbers earlier in the thread, thanks.

Actual KHL site stats.

5 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

what does Ersson want for his next contract?

He's already signed for $1.4M per for the next two...

1 minute ago, flyercanuck said:

Actually, 30th in SV% and 17th in GAA. He's maybe backup NHL material, making over $6 million for 2 years on a supposed rebuilding team. 

Actually, those were his numbers in his 1-4 stint during the KHL playoffs...

2 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

the new boss feels almost like the old boss...

I'm not at all there yet. Seeler, Fedotov, and The Missing Fourth Rounder aren't the end of all things.

Yet.

It's when they throw everything up in the air to sign Reinhart and Guentzel and then sign Zaitzev and Barrie.

Trust, but verify.

1 minute ago, OccamsRazor said:

I think you're being generous.

 

Not from the stats I see how about 35th.

I was going with here:

https://en.khl.ru/stat/leaders/1218/sv_pct/

Which I now see is playoff stats...

so here for regular season:

https://en.khl.ru/stat/leaders/1217/gaa/

16th

https://en.khl.ru/stat/leaders/1217/sv_pct/

27th

But, yeah, puzzling...

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

But the window for Laughton being moved should still be open

The window was never open. It was nailed shut, boarded over, and covered in stucco.

19 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

Come next season's deadline if he is on the team they will make the same damn excuse they already made for keeping him.

He's not going anywhere, ever. He's a lifetime Flyer.

They're going to put his statue where Kate Smith used to be.

30 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I'm pretty sure he's not as bad as he was in his lone start. 

He had been in the US for less than 2 weeks. 

Thing is, he's a pretty average goalie in the KHL. 13th in SV% and 12th in GAA (or reversed, I forget).

30 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

The question is does he have NHL ability or is his relative success mostly a product of his size?

I'm interested to see if his game takes off with some coaching on the NA rink and some experience playing on one.

I'm more than willing to ask that question, but the $3.25M says they believe he's a real deal.

30 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

Is this a signal that the Flyers are bottoming out next season?

Briere seems to allude that next season might not be as good as this one (). He's on board with the idea that they're not "there" yet and seems to agree that they're not particularly "close."

This organization needs to be setting itself up for Michkov's arrival, whether or not he gets here in 25-26... And at the moment they seem to be setting up for just that with all of nine skaters signed for that season.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/flyers-sign-ivan-fedotov-to-two-year-6-5-million-extension

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With the Carter Hart situation unclear and his playing future in doubt, the Flyers wanted to have the spot secure going into the 2024-25 regular season.

 

After what started as a promising season, the Flyers’ season ended in disappointment, just missing out on the playoffs. They closed with a 38-33-11 record and 87 points, sixth in the Metropolitan Division. They spent most of the regular season in the No. 3 spot, but a string of losses and a late-season resurgence from the New York Islanders and Washington Capitals pushed Philadelphia out of the postseason.

Well, if you want to "secure the spot" with a guy who was 0-1, 4.95/.811 during that string of losses why not give him a two year deal at $3.25M?

While I don't mind the signing itself, the term and amount are puzzling.

1 hour ago, GratefulFlyers said:

And 9 times out of 10 the guy swears he’s ready to go. 

Right, and that's where a good coach needs to know when Wayne Simmonds is hobbling around on one leg for a season or Mike Richards is carrying the team on two separated shoulders or when Cam York by his own admission "shouldn't have been on the ice" for a game in which he was -3 and they lost 6-3.

Unless that coach is no longer focused on "creating accountability and developing culture" and is instead "trying win games to make the playoffs."

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During the entire 2017–18 season, Simmonds played with a tear in his pelvis area, torn groin, fractured ankle, torn thumb ligament, and a busted jaw.

Coming off four seasons of 29-28-32-31 goals, he scored 24. He would go on to score 37 total in the next five seasons.

I am aware Simmonds - one of my favorite players - says he's fine with how things went and obviously "retired a Flyer." I just might have preferred 3-5 more effective seasons of him in orange and black instead of - checks notes - a 4-2 first round loss to the Pens and then missing the playoffs the next season before he was shuffled off to Nashville for - checks notes - 19 games of Ryan Hartman that was then flipped for Tyler Pitlick...

#assetmanagement

I just don't think the results of these sacrifices justify the actions and, in fact, detrimentally affected the team for the long term dramatically more than it benefitted in the short term:  Simmonds' career was never the same and traded, Richards was turned into a drug addict and traded.

Until this organization thinks long term they will continue to have the short term difficulties that they have experienced for decades.

And that's where rushing your 22-year-old prized defensive prospect back on the ice "in a playoff push" for a rebuilding team may not make sense for the long term success. Especially when you don't make the playoffs...

2 hours ago, flyercanuck said:

I smell a cup prediction from Buffalo Rick! 

Once he hears about it in a few weeks, sure.

Honestly, never should have been fired.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/40001049/sabres-bring-back-lindy-ruff-team-most-successful-coach

19 minutes ago, GratefulFlyers said:

He won't be the first player who appears "injury prone" for awhile, then goes on to a solid, injury-free career.

To your point, Justin Williams was "frequently injured" and then had a pretty good career.

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Williams was also frequently injured, which simultaneously hampered his development. He broke his left hand in his rookie season (hit by David Tanabe of the Carolina Hurricanes) and had various sprains and strains in his sophomore year. Williams also suffered a left knee injury on January 18, 2003, when he was hit low by the Tampa Bay Lightning's Brad Lukowich. The hit tore Williams' anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) and medial collateral ligament (MCL), and, on January 23, 2003, he had surgery to repair the ligaments. Originally projected to miss four to eight months recovering from the injury, Williams made it back into Philadelphia's line-up in just three months.

He wound up with three Cups and a Conn Smythe to his name.

But, on the other hand, the Flyers did have Danny Markov for 34 games and an Eastern Conference Finals run in 2004.

So, it balances out.

Ah, memories....

49 minutes ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

I think the only team that would value Laughton as worth a 1st rounder is the team he is already on.

 

Happy to be proven wrong.

In the offseason you may be right.

As the trade deadline approaches, it just might go up.

I don't think any of that matters. He's going to be a lifetime Flyer and be in the Hall of Fame when he retires (if not sooner).

If they didn't have Gritty, he'd be the mascot.

Trading the inaugural winner of the Flyers Alumni Community Leadership Award?

Perish the thought.

https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/laughton-wins-inaugural-flyers-alumni-community-leadership-award

11 minutes ago, Howie58 said:

There are times I wonder if Laughts is kept on board to show that a Flyers' first-rounder can actually pan out. 

Two of the three "leadership" guys just happen to be Holmgren draft picks. They're also the last Holmgren picks on the roster.

"BEEKS - GET BACK IN THERE AND WIN THE TRADES!"

41 minutes ago, Howie58 said:

Next on the list was Farabee. 

I'm glad these guys aren't in charge Seriously, making a move on a player signed for four more years because they were "disappointing" when the entire team disappeared is peak Flyer fan.

I can see them buying out Atkinson and Johansen (or they should).

I'd be somewhat surprised to see other guys moved - pending "the right deal." I think they are happy with where they are and will look to add to this group.

For me, they still don't really "need" anybody over the age of 25.

2 minutes ago, mojo1917 said:

I'm not really in any rush to get rid of Scott Laughton, that said, if he's the price to adding a player that can take a forecheck going nowhere and pot a goal and turn the tide of a game, for cheap? I'm helping him pack. 

I'd deal Laughton in a hot second for value.

In unrelated news, checking in with CapFriendly confirms that the Flyers are still paying Bryzgalov for three more years.

Meanwhile, Sergei Bobrovsky is backstopping a Cup favorite. #halloffame

6 minutes ago, JR Ewing said:

how Canada got its name was one of the videos they made:

They put a toque on a moose and called it "Canada"

Or, you know, so I heard...

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

I believe I heard Buffalo was once  interested in Laughton,  a young player who is "stuck" would be an excellent return in a trade scenario.

If Buffalo thinks "a Laughton type" helps them get over a hump maybe a trade could happen.

Not everyone in the league has the jaundiced view of the Flyers players that the fans do. 

"The problem" here is that Laughton is "too valuable" for the Flyers to deal - they've said it. And I, for one, appreciate the player.

To your point, I would love something to shake this whole thing up. That said, I don't want anything to do with Zegras...

Laughton for Krebs strikes me as a deck chairs move. I don't know why the Wild are dealing a 22 year old top 10 pick with a year left on his deal who just got into the league. (I mentioned Rossi a couple years back with (IIRC) the Giroux trade and was roundly chastised for it as the "Wild never moving Rossi" )

To be clear, I'm not opposed to these guys (Zegras possibly exception) as much as I just don't see it necessarily happening.

It's entirely possible - likely, even - that "the answer" to the Flyers isn't available this offseason.

The question then becomes do they try to force it? Again?

1 hour ago, mojo1917 said:

Just two of these guys would increase the skill level enough to where some the young skill the Flyers have on the wing could really improve too.

Make an argument for why the teams they are on don't want them and why, if they don't want them, we do?

1 hour ago, flyercanuck said:

Two years away, from two years away...

You know where I am on things.

However, overall it's not a bad body of work from Briere for year one.

2 hours ago, radoran said:

That's no guarantee of future success...

2 hours ago, RonJeremy said:

Briere has made one good move so far , drafting Michkov.

The Provorov deal was a good one.

He got rid of Hayes.

He got a first for Walker (2 1sts and a 2nd for Provorov). He got a 5th for cap space.

He added a second with Drysdale...

His off-season signings were the foundation for this team achieving what it did (regardless of how we might feel about it).

Overall he's infinitely better than Chuck Fletcher just based on where they are now.

That's no guarantee of future success...

25 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

I didn't know if they tremendously overvalued him as much as they refused to find good complimentary talent for him. There was Voracek and Couturier, but they really hung G out to dry numerous times. 

They valued him like he was Sidney Crosby. He was "the guy" they built "the trades" around.

He was never that good.

They hung him out to dry making him a captain for the first time in the NHL and making a complimentary playmaking winger into a #1C.

If they had never "won the trades" he might have been setting Jeff Carter up for a decade instead of passing back and forth with Voracek.

That's just scratching the surface of the past decade of ineptitude.

52 minutes ago, flyercanuck said:

 

Guess it depends on your idea of a superstar, but certainly a star. 

 

And yes, players like that can be had further down in the draft. Just not by Flyer GMs. 

Sure they can. But planning on finding those guys is a fool's errand.

Teams may hit on a guy like that once in 10-15 years.

The Flyers got a pretty good player at 22 once... Not that they planned on it or the GM even knew his name, but they did! And then tremendously overvalued him...

There are also fewer and fewer European players being "missed" like Kucherov.