flyersfan83 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 i mean look at this roster, there's no leadership type of players on this roster accept for vinny and streit, giroux is no leader, jagr was the leader with giroux. this team needs leadership type of players on all four lines, im not talking all 12 players, im talking at least one vet/stanley type of player on each line that can help this young players, there's too many unproven players on this team, they need more leadership. im not talking about getting overpaid vets, im talking about getting cheap stanley cup vet experienced players. not to menion this team needs a stanley cup experienced coach, berube is not that guy, yeah he was with lav in the finals but it's the same system as lavy, they need a new culture type of coach from a winning/ playoff organization that knows how to win a cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 lavy had stanley cup experience didn't seem to help them much. You said leadership type of players on all four lines? You hinted, but what players do you have in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbulb Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Maybe we need a solid 4th line grinder/pk specialist who's won a cup.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan83 Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 lavy had stanley cup experience didn't seem to help them much. You said leadership type of players on all four lines? You hinted, but what players do you have in mind? just by example because i dont know if these players are going to be resigned or not dustin penner-won cup with lamike rupp-won cup with devilsbenn eager-won cup with blackhawksmichael handzus-won cup with blackhawks the only player current of defense that won a cup is hal gill, not with flyers of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 (edited) A solid vet w cup experience? Hogwash... We just traded one of those... Edited November 3, 2013 by murraycraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Maybe we need a solid 4th line grinder/pk specialist who's won a cup.... I don't think so. We already had that player and he didn't do his job & was traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlyer1 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 One way to maybe get this thing moving in the right direction. Put the C on Vinny. The man can score pass and work hard and oh yeah not afraid to drop the gloves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 just by example because i dont know if these players are going to be resigned or not dustin penner-won cup with lamike rupp-won cup with devilsbenn eager-won cup with blackhawksmichael handzus-won cup with blackhawks the only player current of defense that won a cup is hal gill, not with flyers of course. The 1st two you named, that might work out. But bringing back more ex-flyers, not sure if that would help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 One way to maybe get this thing moving in the right direction. Put the C on Vinny. The man can score pass and work hard and oh yeah not afraid to drop the gloves.We dint need another foppa type captain. VLC gets hurt too often and has for a few years. G is the captain so let him right this massive titanic of a team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murraycraven Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Rupp, Handzus and eager? This is the worst ever... You just traded a guy who is better than all then and won a cup. Come on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan83 Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Rupp, Handzus and eager? This is the worst ever... You just traded a guy who is better than all then and won a cup. Come on... ok then you give me some players then because i dont know, you dont want top fas that will kill this cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 ok then you give me some players then because i dont know, you dont want top fas that will kill this cap.Mesz, Timonen, and Downie all come off the books after this season. 12 mil, from memory, not counting any increase in cap, nor resigning B Schenn. They have space, but wisdom??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlyer1 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 We dint need another foppa type captain. VLC gets hurt too often and has for a few years. G is the captain so let him right this massive titanic of a teamG is the Captain in letter only and if you noticed I said maybe. Time to try something try anything JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Bring in the great dane, laughton, & cousins, they are young and hungry. Lets see what they can do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doom88 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Bring in the great dane, laughton, & cousins, they are young and hungry. Lets see what they can do.Lauridsen isn't ready for full time NHL duty, and the other two can't be recalled until their juniors season is over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 lavy had stanley cup experience didn't seem to help them much. You said leadership type of players on all four lines? You hinted, but what players do you have in mind? They did get to the Cup Final under Lavy... That said, I don't think there's a lot of stock in the "Cup winner" approach to coaching. Roger Neilson may have been the best pure "coach" in terms of knowing the game "x's and o's" and innovating the job of coaching - but he didn't win a Cup. A lot of chance and circumstance does go into who does and who doesn't win a Cup. That said, it's generally an issue of "chance" between a very small number of teams. Tortorella winning with Tampa doesn't necessarily translate into winning in New York or Vancouver. Claude Julien had never won a Cup. Neither had Quenneville. And neither of them had any relation to the clubs they won with before they were hired. It's hiring the right people. It's choosing the right players. It's naming the right captain. And then it's everything coming together on the ice. But it's damn hard - if not impossible - to have the fourth part with out the first three. And it's also growing with experience with the players around you. It's why I would have preferred to see them re-load the gun from the Penguins win/Devils loss playoff series. They had chemistry and experience from that win. Instead they went chasing other teams' players and let their own walk away for nothing. Instead of chopping Lavy after last season, they waited three games into the next season. And they will decide to play the players they have given millions of dollars to over the players like Lauridsen, Laughton and Cousins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 How long do you think they will play the players they have paid millions to and they are not performing before they do something drastic??? The Flyers are not a patient club. The coach has to be right for the given group of players. Is berube that guy?? Maybe your right and the Flyers should hire a coach that has no ties to the club at this time. you have to pick players that work well together. Why do we always end up with some locker room cancer?? Need to take more opportunities to assess players before signing them. In regards to a captain, maybe we should have taken a captain that has more experience in the nhl, like streit who was the captain of the NYI. The experiment failed with richards, who maybe had to much pressure with the C and the big contract. Your right with we need to develop our own players, you can't buy chemistry with a FA. In 2010 needed some minor tweaking, a better goalie and 2 d men. The 3rd pair was our downfall against the hawks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedeFly Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 @radoran "They did get to the Cup Final under Lavy..."So did the Oilers somehow on the shoulders of Fernando Pisani ..What happened to them the following seasons....and who the hell was Fernando Pisani anyway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blocker Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Scotty Bowman has a great record as a coach. But, he never claimed to be a tactical genius. He won because he got really good players. He's said many times that the task of a winning coach is to put the best possible combination of five on the ice each shift. I think he's a winner because he's an excellent judge of talent and opportunity. And, in view of the Flyers recent history of dumping promising talent, I think we lack that judgement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan83 Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 (edited) Scotty Bowman has a great record as a coach. But, he never claimed to be a tactical genius. He won because he got really good players. He's said many times that the task of a winning coach is to put the best possible combination of five on the ice each shift. I think he's a winner because he's an excellent judge of talent and opportunity. And, in view of the Flyers recent history of dumping promising talent, I think we lack that judgement. i just think it's how they draft and how they play them, they never play best players to win, it's always playing favorites, no matter how much the player sucks, the coach keeps playing them and never gets benched. chicago drafts the best players and plays them, that's why they won 2 stanley cups. you can say towes and kane were difference makers but the fact is they draft the best talent, the flyers do the opposite. Edited November 4, 2013 by flyersfan83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf101 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 @flyersfan83 The Flyers drafted Richards and Carter.... and they won a cup. just sayin.... Chicago as a team stunk for a long time. Which is something the Flyers have never done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyersfan83 Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 @flyersfan83 The Flyers drafted Richards and Carter.... and they won a cup. just sayin.... Chicago as a team stunk for a long time. Which is something the Flyers have never done. that's why we need a culture change, we need a gm that can draft the best talent and put it on the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 @radoran"They did get to the Cup Final under Lavy..."So did the Oilers somehow on the shoulders of Fernando Pisani ..What happened to them the following seasons....and who the hell was Fernando Pisani anyway ? In context, the comment was a response to an assertion that Lavy being a Cup wining coach "didn't do much for them" - and the point was "aside from getting them to a Cup final." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leach27 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Other than getting us to the final in 2010. What exactly did Lavy do for this team??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 Other than getting us to the final in 2010. What exactly did Lavy do for this team??? This isn't a "defending Lavy" experiment. This is a "reality" experiment. The "reality" is that he did "do something" and that "something" got them to the Cup Final and that "something" had something to do with them keeping him this past summer when they likely should have gotten rid of him. I never liked his style and I never liked his approach. I mocked his marmalade "jam" system incessantly. He can't handle goalies worth a damn. He should have been fired last April. But "getting to a Cup Final" is a far cry from "didn't seem to help them much." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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