OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I agree with whoever said that the tie makes the playoffs seem more significant and the points system is one of the things that just seems to differentiate the NHL from the other major three. I'd hate to give it up. Ok we'll just have to agree to disagree then. It does nothing for the playoffs in my opinion...there are no shootouts in the playoffs...WINNER TAKES ALL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Win the damn game in regulation...or OT or God forbid the shootout....but i bet teams play harder to get those points knowing they may get nothing for not bringing it. That's what the playoffs are for. I'd rather see Giroux play 75+ games a year and personally I think the Flyers have a better chance of ever making the playoffs again if Giroux is in the lineup. is there another sport with an endless sudden death OT in the playoffs? Baseball gives both teams an inning. Football now gives both teams the ball. the NBA scores so many damn points that sudden death would be a real short OT. Let's keep that sacred and do what we have to to preserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Ok we'll just have to agree to disagree then. It does nothing for the playoffs in my opinion...there are no shootouts in the playoffs...WINNER TAKES ALL!!! I don't think you're thinking that through. If every game never ended until someone broke the tie, then when it never ends in the playoffs, it wouldn't feel any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I don't think you're thinking that through. If every game never ended until someone broke the tie, then when it never ends in the playoffs, it wouldn't feel any different. I think you're confused here. The playoffs are winner takes how ever long it takes. I want the regular season to be winner take all. But in the same format at now. regulation-OT- then a shootout.....the difference is only the winner gets a point. The loser nothing. Leave the playoffs alone. There are no shootouts in the playoffs...the loser gets nothing...so in the regular season to help prepare them....the loser gets nothing. Are we on the same page now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poconono Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Still better than a stinkin' tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Still better than a stinkin' tie. Yeah i don't want no tie..........eff that...loser gets NADA!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 I think you're confused here. The playoffs are winner takes how ever long it takes. I want the regular season to be winner take all. But in the same format at now.regulation-OT- then a shootout.....the difference is only the winner gets a point. The loser nothing. Leave the playoffs alone. There are no shootouts in the playoffs...the loser gets nothing...so in the regular season to help prepare them....the loser gets nothing. Are we on the same page now.I think we're just discussing two different points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I think we're just discussing two different points No. The discussion was 3 on 3. That is only for the regular season. I'm saying keep the format the same as it is now....but however it ends the winner gets two points. The loser gets nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I can't tell if I hate 3 on 3 more or less than the shootout, BUT either way, there look to be a ton of breakaway opportunities during 3 on 3, so it's still going to cost us a bunch of games if we can't score on the breakaway let alone when they gift wrap two penalty shots for us. they aren't the same thing at all. breakaways are at full game speed, with backcheckers and a goalie that has to worry about rebounds and taking himself out of the play on follow up chances. penalty shots are in slow motion with no back pressure, and no opportunities for follow up. it's an entirely different scenario, and a very different skill set. i've never noticed a problem with flyers scoring on breakaways. penalty shots are a different story, a story i find myself having a hard time caring about. i'd like to see the NHL allow teams to decline penalty shots, though, and opt for a two minute PP. that's neither here nor there, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 i'd like to see the NHL allow teams to decline penalty shots, though, and opt for a two minute PP. that's neither here nor there, though. you would not believe how many times we have joked about that during game chat over the course of the past 3 years..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 i'd like to see the NHL allow teams to decline penalty shots, though, and opt for a two minute PP. Now this i like i haven't seen this recommendation before...bravo that would be interesting to have the option. I likey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 i'd like to see the NHL allow teams to decline penalty shots, though, and opt for a two minute PP. that's neither here nor there, though. USA Hockey used to have this as a rule...penalty shot/optional minor. I never saw a team take the optional minor. The scoring percentage is higher if you take the penalty shot. Also, the opponent does not have an opportunity to score a short handed goal on a penalty shot. NHL teams would always pick the penalty shot. Since the 2005-2006 NHL regular season, penalty shot opportunities consistently yielded a higher conversion percentage of goals made than power play opportunities.*graph does not include data after the 2012-2013 NHL regular season2014-2015 NHL regular season (82 game season):Penalty Shots -- 14/41 = 34.1% Power Plays -- 1403/7281 = 19.2%2013-2014 NHL regular season (82 game season):Penalty Shots -- 21/69 = 30.4% Power Plays -- 1441/8055 = 17.9%2012-2013 NHL regular season (48 game lockout-shortened season):Penalty Shots -- 8/34 = 23.5%Power Plays -- 872/4785 = 18.2%2011-2012 NHL regular season (82 game season):Penalty Shots -- 27/69 = 39.1%Power Plays -- 1408/8132 = 17.3%2010-2011 NHL regular season (82 game season):Penalty Shots -- 27/78 = 34.6%Power Plays -- 1571/8179 = 18.0%2009-2010 NHL regular season (82 game season):Penalty Shots -- 16/55 = 29.1%Power Plays -- 1664/9136 = 18.2%2008-2009 NHL regular season (82 game season):Penalty Shots -- 23/59 = 39.0%Power Plays -- 1938/10227 = 18.9%2007-2008 NHL regular season (82 game season):Penalty Shots -- 19/64 = 29.7%Power Plays -- 1871/10536 = 17.8%2006-2007 NHL regular season (82 game season):Penalty Shots -- 25/70 = 35.7%Power Plays -- 2099/11935 = 17.6%2005-2006 NHL regular season (82 game season):Penalty Shots -- 35/103 = 33.4%Power Plays -- 2545/14390 = 17.7% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 USA Hockey used to have this as a rule...penalty shot/optional minor. Did not know this man learn something new everyday. The scoring percentage is higher if you take the penalty shot. Maybe but think of it this way a PP will keep you on the edge of your seat longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlaskaFlyerFan Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Did not know this man learn something new everyday. I haven't looked at their rule book in a couple years so they may still have the rule. Maybe but think of it this way a PP will keep you on the edge of your seat longer. NHL teams want to win the game. They don't care about keeping you on the edge of your seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I can think of times they might take it. Up one, less than 2 to go? Yeah, give me the power play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 NHL teams want to win the game. They don't care about keeping you on the edge of your seat. I know but that is the concern it's why they changed the rule because they said the games were getting to long and fans didn't want to stick around for 10 minutes of OT and then a shootout...so i'm thinking along those lines....i don't agree with it but it was their excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Those percentagss are a good start, but i think if you have a 30% power play and/or can eat up two minutes of clock, I could see situations where you might take the two minutes.I'd prefer there be the option to not having it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I'd prefer there be the option to not having it. Yes i agree theoretically it's one shot on the penalty shot..........vserus hopefully several on the PP i like those percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aziz Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I can think of times they might take it. Up one, less than 2 to go? Yeah, give me the power play. exactly. the PS might have the higher conversion rate, but the PP lets you control the game for 2 minutes. provided you don't allow a shorthanded breakaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilldoc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 USA Hockey used to have this as a rule...penalty shot/optional minor. I never saw a team take the optional minor. The scoring percentage is higher if you take the penalty shot. Also, the opponent does not have an opportunity to score a short handed goal on a penalty shot Learn something new everyday....thanks for the info NHL teams would always pick the penalty shot. they would be stupid not too...too many skilled players taking the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poconono Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yeah i don't want no tie..........eff that...loser gets NADA!!!!I wholeheartedly agree with your ending statement. Maybe players would try just that much harder in regulation if there were no "free" point for the OT loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Maybe players would try just that much harder in regulation if there were no "free" point for the OT loser. I agree its' worth trying they are trying everything else.............why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yeah big deal win a shootout...... ....there are no shootouts in the playoffs...i could careless about them...save that for the All Sar game!!!! The playoffs it's all about hockey...it ends with 5 on 5 or 5 on 4 or 5 on 3 but not one on one!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 You know who really get screwed stats-wise?The goalie.Mason put up a very good 60 minutes and his GAA goes from 2.00 to 2.91 in a five minute 3 on 3.As if the 3 on 3 goal is really the same as the 5 on 5 60 minute goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Mason put up a very good 60 minutes and his GAA goes from 2.00 to 2.91 in a five minute 3 on 3. Wow Rad good catch didn't even catch that.......it sucks.....but well he should have stop that shot by Garrison honestly in OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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