Samifan Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 hours ago, AJgoal said: Weal placed on waivers today. I still don't understand this teams love affair with Vandavelde? He should have been waived before Weal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 44 minutes ago, Samifan said: I still don't understand this teams love affair with Vandavelde? He should have been waived before Weal. Might have something to do with where he went to college and who his coach was. North Dakota. Dave Hackstol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 46 minutes ago, Samifan said: I still don't understand this teams love affair with Vandavelde? He should have been waived before Weal. Eh. Weal isn't really a 4th line/13th forward type of player, and he can probably benefit from time in the AHL. Vandevelde is the kind of guy I'd rather have in one of those spots (preferably 13th forward). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radoran Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 31 minutes ago, AJgoal said: Eh. Weal isn't really a 4th line/13th forward type of player, and he can probably benefit from time in the AHL. Vandevelde is the kind of guy I'd rather have in one of those spots (preferably 13th forward). That's assuming Weal clears waivers, because he's not exempt. I think he needs to play, the only question is whether it will be in Lehigh Valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Which is why I would have waived Read instead. But a team claiming Weal must keep him on the NHL roster for 30 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 3 hours ago, RJ8812 said: Gostisbehere is not being waived because he's waiver exempt. He can however, be demoted in order for us to get under the cap, and then re-called Whatever you know what i meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 So i think that now with Weal waived Lyubimov will make the roster. I like this move, no offense to Weal but he is more like just an AHL/NHl fringe guy...sure he scored some goals but he just didn't stand out much to me Luby brings more size and speed to the team....plus is just more positionally sound from what i've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Aside from Konecny and Provorov (who have been covered in another thread), has the team announced the opening night roster yet? i.e. have they announced the final cuts? I know Weal cleared waivers and was sent to the Phantoms. Is that it? With the suspensions and injuries that that mean the 23 man roster is solidified for now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Assumedly they are demoting Lyubimov and Ghost (on paper), placing MDZ and Lauhton on LTIR, and recalling Ghost ++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, AJgoal said: Assumedly they are demoting Lyubimov and Ghost (on paper), placing MDZ and Lauhton on LTIR, and recalling Ghost ++ Lyubimov is on an entry level too? (i.e. not at waiver risk?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 On 10/9/2016 at 3:43 PM, AJgoal said: Eh. Weal isn't really a 4th line/13th forward type of player, and he can probably benefit from time in the AHL. Vandevelde is the kind of guy I'd rather have in one of those spots (preferably 13th forward). Totally. Great for pointing this out. The other half is that Weal didn't play much last year. If they keep him and he's the press box guy, he's not playing night in and night out. If they could sneak him into the AHL (as they were able to do) he gets ice time and top 6 minutes every night as opposed to filling the pop corn bags and staying in shape in case someone gets hurt (which is probably what VV will be doing). Vandy knows his role and can execute at an acceptable degree. Weal needs ice time. Also just like Konecny needed to be better than not just the worst forward, but the worst top 6 forward in order for making the team to really be of much use to him, Weal isn't a 4th line role player like Vandy. He needs to be ready to go and better than Read, Raffl or Weise, Nor Gordon, Belly and VV at this point in order to make the Flyers roster. Weal is probably a third line, maybe second (someday) type guy. At this point, they need the third and fourth to be able to play their roles in order to win games now. Keeping Weal over VV doesn't do Weal any favors and worse leaves the 4th line with a player not suited for the role he needs to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Dave IsaacVerified account@davegisaac Hextall says they'll send Lyubimov down and keep Weal then LTIR Del Zotto tomorrow. Will be about $113K under cap. #Flyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 1 hour ago, AJgoal said: Dave IsaacVerified account@davegisaac Hextall says they'll send Lyubimov down and keep Weal then LTIR Del Zotto tomorrow. Will be about $113K under cap. #Flyers He said they'd have to do things they didn't want to and I assume sending down Lyubimov is one of them. I'm wondering, can Lyubimov come back to the Flyers with Ghost after they LTIR MDZ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Yes. The assumption right now is that tomorrow, Lyubimov will come back up and Weal will get sent down, and MDZ will be placed on LTIR. I believe what he meant when he said they'd have to do things they didn't want to do was using LTIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 3 hours ago, AJgoal said: I believe what he meant when he said they'd have to do things they didn't want to do was using LTIR. I think he means they don't want to do it before the season starts. Do it right after. So this doesn't hurt them banking cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Forwards (14): #10 – Brayden Schenn (suspended) #11 – Travis Konecny #12 – Michael Raffl #14 – Sean Couturier #17 – Wayne Simmonds #19 – Jordan Weal #22 – Dale Weise #24 – Matt Read #25 – Nick Cousins #27 – Boyd Gordon #28 – Claude Giroux #76 – Chris VandeVelde #78 – Pierre-Edouard Bellemare #93 – Jakub Voracek Defensemen (7): #3 – Radko Gudas (suspended) #9 – Ivan Provorov #23 – Brandon Manning #32 – Mark Streit #47 – Andrew MacDonald #53 – Shayne Gostisbehere #55 – Nick Schultz Goaltenders (2): #30 – Michal Neuvirth #35 – Steve Mason I'm ready it sucks i won't be able to stay up and watch the whole game versus LA because i'm going back to 1st shift saturday morning 5 am comes early........i hope i awake to a win!!! GO FLYERS!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Some Shinedown!!!!!!!!! Let's go boys been waiting all summer for this!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-Meltzer/Flyers-On-Paper-vs-Actual-Opening-Night-Rosters-Line-Combos-Phantoms/45/79834 This will be the Flyers' actual roster and probable lines come Friday night:12 Michael Raffl - 28 Claude Giroux - 17 Wayne Simmonds11 Travis Konecny - 14 Sean Couturier - 93 Jakub Voracek25 Nick Cousins -76 P-E Bellemare - 22 Dale Weise76 Chris VandeVelde - 27 Boyd Gordon - 24 Matt Read or 60 Roman Lyubimov47 Andrew MacDonald - 53 Shayne Gostisbehere9 Ivan Provorov - 32 Mark Streit55 Nick Schultz - 23 Brandon Manning35 Steve Mason / 30 Michal NeuvirthScratches: Brayden Schenn (suspended by NHL for first three games), Radko Gudas (suspended by NHL for first six games), Michael Del Zotto (LTIR), Scott Laughton (LTIR), one of Roman Lyubimov or Matt Read (healthy). Myself i'd love to see Lubi in the lineup instead of Van develde....just not very impressed by him and i think Lubi can move up in the lineup maybe with his smarts and speed. I just think he has some upside to be explored. CVV is at his ceiling...meh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 And when Schenn gets back i think Matt Read could/should join CVV in the press box....just my 2 cents....Read could be trade bait at some point in the season...i guess we'll see. And when Laughton is healthy he needs to join the Phantoms to work on his confidence and game....sorry he has work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Not likely anyone will take Read if he's struggling again. Laughton is meh. I always thought he was a terrible 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, RJ8812 said: Not likely anyone will take Read if he's struggling again. True. Besides he could come in handy for the expansion draft because he is signed for next season to so there is that.... Can't argue much about Laughton i think he is a victim of playing to soon and not getting any AHL to hone his game...he will be given that time this year though...we'll see...he is on his last year of his ELC so he won't get much on his qualifying offer to retain him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ8812 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said: True. Besides he could come in handy for the expansion draft because he is signed for next season to so there is that.... Can't argue much about Laughton i think he is a victim of playing to soon and not getting any AHL to hone his game...he will be given that time this year though...we'll see...he is on his last year of his ELC so he won't get much on his qualifying offer to retain him. All I remember is the Flyers went "off the board" to draft him. When we could have and should have drafted someone like Maatta or Pearson. Thank God we were able to get Gostisbehere in the 3rd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJgoal Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Honestly, when Schenn gets back, I'd think hard about sliding Lyubimov into a top-6 role on the phantoms to see if he can develop into more than a 4th liner in the NHL. Run the lines: Schenn - Giroux - Simmonds Konecny - Couturier - Voracek Raffl - Cousins - Weisse Bellemare - Gordon - Read Vandevelde It looks like they're going to carry 8 d when everyone is healthy. Unless they intend to send Schultz down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Knut Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 21 minutes ago, AJgoal said: Honestly, when Schenn gets back, I'd think hard about sliding Lyubimov into a top-6 role on the phantoms to see if he can develop into more than a 4th liner in the NHL. Run the lines: Schenn - Giroux - Simmonds Konecny - Couturier - Voracek Raffl - Cousins - Weisse Bellemare - Gordon - Read Vandevelde It looks like they're going to carry 8 d when everyone is healthy. Unless they intend to send Schultz down. I assume Hextall will be shopping Read, Streit, Schultz and maybe others pretty hard starting 2 or 3 days ago. To be paying this much to have Read on the 4th line is a bit sickening. At least it has a better chance of being effective than having VLC on the 4th line could possibly have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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