RonJeremy

WTF was I thinking…..great move

And 1% talent. After he signs the contract, he will return to his waiver wire old self.

Vatrano is 30 and looking for big $$, not what we need in a rebuild. Any assets we have should be compiled to acquire a young center either via the draft or by trade. We are paying Coots 7 million to be a fourth line center and the only other center we have is Frost. Without two top centers this team is going nowhere and has no future until we fix that.

The Flyers or anything else can't be great again, when you have meddling corporations and imbeciles involved in the decision making and stopping you from initiating your plan.

I bought it about as much as I bought “Build Back Better” and “Aggressive Retool”. In the end they all equal bullcrap .

Any word on Seeler ? I sure hope he isn’t injured from blocking that shot, then we can’t trade him.

You don’t have to tank, all we want is for them to be realistic. OK, they keep Seeler and Walker, we make the playoffs and are out in the first round. Now we are stuck with these guys and Risto and you block the young dmen from coming up. You are also on the hook for more money for five more years. So what was really accomplished ? The way you build a team is by trading older guys for picks and using those picks to draft young guys or for trades for young guys, the more picks you have the more ammo you have to make deals. This management better not give us the same old Clarke/Holmgren way of doing things.

The first question we need to ask is, who the hell is Seeler to turn down 3 million a year. He’s never been anything more than a #7 defenseman. Ville Leino and JVR both had huge seasons as UFAs, we let Leino walk and he flopped in Buffalo, we signed JVR and he never played close to his last year in Toronto. Yet here we are again. Just like when we bought out a few bad contracts and immediately signed that washed up pylon Lecavalier. We never learn.

We will probably hate them much sooner, neither has done a thing to brag about in the NHL, except at 30 as pending UFAs, to have career seasons. We have seen this time and time again. Guaranteed neither of them come close to this season again. We will be paying over 8 million to keep these guys and both are looking for 5 year contracts. We have Drysdale,York and Sanheim as our top three, then you keep these two guys overachieving stiffs, with Risto or Zamula at #6 and 7. So where does that leave Attard ,Andrae and Bonk? There is no reason to keep these guys,especially for 5 years and at the money they want.

We have three young guys with tremendous shots, Foerester , Brink and Tippett, the best pure shooters we’ve had in years. What we really need are creative playmakers, especially at center to set them up and make the most of their shooting abilities.

I hope not, this is a big chance to expedite the rebuild and even if we draft a center this year ,it’s three years before he’s a factor. Coots will be shot in two years .Other than Konecny we don’t have much high end talent to acquire a center or high draft pick. We already have a setback in the rebuild with losing Gauthier and acquiring an injury prone small defenseman who is already behind in his development due to previous injuries. If someone is gonna overpay for these average defensemen having career years it better not be us. I sure hope we don’t make the same mistakes we’ve made for the last thirty years.

If we end up with four first round picks, we can get one, probably cost us three picks to move up high enough, but if we fall into the top ten it will be a lot easier and less costly I think there’s only a couple of good centers available in this draft, since it’s loaded with defenseman. Or else we try and trade for Zegras, or one of the two centers from Buffalo , but I hear a lot of negative things on these players. I don’t want any injury prone guys, floaters or projects. We probably are gonna lose the Drysdale trade as it is.

I want us to collapse into a top 10 draft position. We have been very competitive, no ten goal games against the Rangers, lots of good comebacks ,we haven’t been blown out alot, no multiple ten game losing streaks and many of our young players have improved a lot. That’s good enough progress for me, the draft is more important. We need a center and we need to trade Seeler,Walker and Laughton. These trades should guarantee us picking in the top ten. If we can add two more first round picks, this is a big help to speed up the rebuild and ammunition to trade up in the draft.

The biggest joke of all was you had two playmakers, pass first kinda guys , G and Jake on the same line for years, they should have been on separate lines . Neither would ever shoot the puck and they never got them a finisher. G needed a guy like Tippett. Now we have finishers like Tippett, Brink and Foerester and only one playmaker, which is Frost. Top priority is a skilled center and this team will improve dramatically.

Especially for a playoff run that might not even happen.

Contenders have always overpaid at the trade deadline, especially for defenseman. Walker being a righty is a key and Steelers hard nosed play and shot blocking are very valuable for the playoffs.I don’t think the Flyers asking price is unreasonable.

If we can’t get a first for Walker, then get a good prospect or at worst two second rounders and one second rounder for Seeler, if we have to give them back a fourth rounder, then do it.

And Seeler wants over 3. F them both.

Absolutely, giving Lindros the C was another. He had enough pressure on him with the refusal to go to Quebec, being anointed the next one after Gretzky and Lemuex ,being 20 years old and being the savior of the Flyers franchise. Your best player is not necessarily your best leader or any kind of leader at all. As you said, lots of stupid decisions, literally about thirty years worth.

Drysdale is week to week and then, they are trying rest and rehab and then he will be re-evaluated, at which time the team will announce he is undergoing season ending surgery. This is the flyers, the writing is on the wall.

I remember the word was the Flyers locker room was divided into two camps Richard’s and Prongers. Now was Pronger a douche and stepping on the Captains toes or did Pronger take over because Richard’s was partying too much and Pronger knew it.

He did get hooked while on the Flyers, if you remember he had surgeries on both shoulder's, that’s when it happened . Of course Oxys are for partying, people take them and have a few beers. When Richard’s got pinched the pills he had were not prescribed by his Dr, he bought them on the street. He was a great Flyer and came to play every night for sure. The question is ,did the Flyers management know it was pills and not just drinking and partying in the bar, did they offer him help, did he deny help or having a problem? I do remember when he was having a real off year and people kept asking what’s wrong with Richard’s, he was soon traded. I guess we will never know that part.

As far as the story has never been proven…Richard’s got pinched at the border with a crap load of Oxys and was out of hockey at 28, so it looks like they were accurate with Richard’s. Carter had a long productive career, so maybe his partying wasn’t so bad . So maybe they won the Richard’s trade but lost the Carter trade.

If we get a first for Laughton and for Walker,that’s four first round picks we would have. I’d try and move up, do a two for one to land a center and another two for one to land a dman.

I was talking about getting a center, but I just think TK gets us a better center at this, point than Tippett and I said don’t wanna trade our only real big power forward Tippett who has a great blend of size ,speed and a great shot and keep a smaller guy who plays physical but will probably break down for playing that way. I’m saying we lost Gauthier, so if we dump Tippet ,then we have no size on the wings . You need some size with skill in order to be a contender. I like TK, don’t get me wrong but I think Tippett is a bargain at his contract and if I can get a young center and a pick, I’d trade TK. But, since they gave him the A ,would they then turn around and trade him?