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4 hours ago, CoachX said:

I’d kind of like to see him play like this for more than one season.

He's done it 3 times, so far counting his breakout year pre COVID. 

I think the 'VID messed a lot of guys up add to that becoming a new dad. That also ****s guys up, remember not sleeping for a year and a half? 

Good times.

7 hours ago, radoran said:

That season was the fourth of Giroux's eight year deal. Voracek was in his second year of his eight year pact

I know, that would have been the time to sell high on G though. 

Instead they continued to (not ) build around them VeeGees.

A GM could have broken up the band and maxed out the return. Built around Couturier, Provorov and Konecny with the high picks and prospects G and V could have fetched. 

3 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

 

 

 

They just going to run it back next year...

 

I would like to present this as a counter point.

Wouldn't it make sense to know what kind of contract Seeler would be looking for in this situation?

Also, might it give Danny some leverage in negotiating with other GMs to be able to say a ) we like Nick, so can you do better with that offer? Or b ) If you ,other GM, like him here's what it might cost you down the line to resign him.

Until things happen I'm not going to get too flapped up by worrying about things that may be able to be explained as Danny exercising due diligence. 

These guys would not keep saying to the public they know the team isn't there yet if they didn't know it to be true.

All of them, Fonzie, Jonesy, Danny and, Hilferty are saying the cake isn't baked....but Stankoven might be hi- yo!... yet.

I believe them until they show me I can't. 

20 hours ago, yave1964 said:

Konecny.

 

  Listen, the man can play. He leads the Flyers in goals and points, last year he missed 22 games and led them in goals and points anyway. Has a snarl, not big but can play big. He has likely peaked as a point a game top line power forward but at 26 he may still have a bit of upside.

  What is there not to like? IMHO guys like that are cornerstone players, you have to have them to build around. So if he signs for 8x7.5 with the cap going up you simply do it and plug him in. He is important to the future of the Flyers you simply have to keep him. Signing him as a reward as he has gotten better and better sends a message to the kids . 

Thanks @yave1964 

This post is better than I would have said it.  

Maybe the centerman the organization needs can be acquired by trading a young defenseman or something.

TK is unique, I love his F-all attitude. To me he is a born Flyer. I'd hate to see him wearing another team's colors. 

Especially if he's to be traded for an unknown or unproven quantity. 

I don't think his situation is equivalent to the Flyers doubling down on Giroux and Voracek after G's 103pt season. 
It would be selling high and a trade could possibly bring back a quality center... but if it were my team I'd want #11 around to remind younglings of the effort and passion required to play for Philly.

15 hours ago, CoachX said:

Ha ha ha ha…..way to go Mr Glue, can’t even score on an empty net

 

lovin that Scott Laughton

Continuing the Flyers futility vs the empty net.

Thank god the young guys don't have that weirdness built into their hard drives the way the "olds" do.

Stankoven, really that's the dude's name?

I'll never ever buy that sweater.

51 minutes ago, RonJeremy said:

He said even if we trade Seeler and Walker he'd be interested in bringing them back if they didn't sign with the teams they were traded to.

I watched Ray and Dregs also.

He did say tough decisions on players would be coming up.

The tenor of that interview was not let's run it back with this group.

That wasn't even close to what Jonesy said in that interview. He did say he liked Walker and he did say he'd consider signing him in the off-season as an UFA. He did say he liked the culture shift and the job that Torts has done. 

If somebody's take away from the Ray and Dregs interview was "we like this team and the job is done"... then I don't know what to say.

They might as well skipped wasting their time letting the play head go for 20 minutes and just made-up whatever ******** came to mind. 

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

I seen reports the other day that they heard that they'd be happy running it back with this group again I sh it you not

From who?

2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said:

It is a rebuild and resigning 2 older D men doesn't make sense and will once again drafting in the 15-20s again and once again prove they refuse to embrace a full on rebuild like many of us feared

Cannot disagree with this. 

Though I will say Seeler's deal is tradeable if someone wants him.

I like Walker and understand the reasoning behind resigning him to 3 years or something, he's already a solid second pairing guy and he's been really good. I don't think he'll coast after getting paid either.  I still think it's risky.

I think it comes down to time-line when it comes to these players in particular, who has more value and when?

Do any of the draft picks turn into a set 'em and forget them player in the next 3-5 years?

Does having a few guys who can play but are older help the team develop?

If they like Walker that much then why not try to resign him in the off-season after trading him for something?

Or they could treat him like their own rental player...I think Walker brings the best asset back of any of the tradeable vets, maybe Laughton if a team has an injury.  I'd hate to see the management miss an opportunity to sell high for a change.

good grief is Matt Martin tough, that kid hit him 3 times, high leverage punches before Martin was even aware he was in the fight.

Martin held on and dished some too, that Rempe kid is a Frankenstein-monster looking meat-stick, and he can throw.

Martin managed to weather the storm and didn't go down, he's a tough MFer.

That was a good scrap. 

7 minutes ago, CoachX said:

I understand player personnel issues but I don’t get how this squad plays well on the penalty kill and sucks with the advantage.

PK is about effort, PP is about skill.

I mean, that's the short answer.

We don't have the guys yet. 

the Flyers don't have enough guys who can see the ice, dangle, pass and shoot at full speed.

Some of the issue is young guys needing to adjust to pace of the league. I'd put Brink and Foerster in this group. I think eventually, in the next 1.5 years Foerster is going to get his timing down to where he'll be able to receive a pass and shoot in one motion not two. Even his wrister is lethal, but he has been taking that .25 of a second to get himself "straight" and that's all it takes for a defender to get a stick or body in front of the puck. 

There isn't a true #1 power play QB on the roster. Could York or Drysdale grow into it? Maybe.

The best power plays have that guy that can distribute to the puck to cutter and or get a shot through the traffic to create the chaos around the net. Giroux could do this from the half wall, Makar does it from the point, Kucherov from the opposite half wall and he has Hedman at the point. Boston has McAvoy, Pastarnak and Marchand each of whom can do all the things.

Guys make a difference.

5 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

 

I don't see an "if one thing goes wrong" problem with the Flyers this year. In fact I see the opposite. Their success hasn't relied on just one line or two goal-scorers or goaltending or special teams. Their wins are always a total team effort, no?

 

Last year I think that was an issue. The wins early in the year were largely due to Hart playing so well - he was the Flyers' "one thing." This year I really don't see that "one facet" problem at all.

 

 

 

Maybe I'm not making my point clear.

The Flyers must play with maximum effort and they need their goalies to play. 905/<2.95  ball.

Even then they can still be blown out by the Pastarnaks, Matthews and MacKinnons of the league. 

This team, while fun and one of my favorite rosters of the last 10 years, needs more talented players so they win with their C- game.

I think that Devils team is mostly hot garbage there are enough talented players on the roster where they can be garbage and still win though.

That's what I am hoping the Flyers roster gets built to.

I wouldn't pay Pastarnak that money...10m so there is no way I'm paying TK that money. Pasta imo is the best winger in the East, TK is really good but he's not Pasta good.

The agent has to ask and negotiate the best deal for his client.

Starting at 10 almost doesn't seem serious minded to me.

I can see 8 as the first number of a Konecny deal though, and I don't think I want to pay any more than that for any length of time. I'd rather pay less. If he gives 4 more years at the current production, what would that be worth? A lot.

If he wants term then I don't go above 8. If he wants 5 years ?  

Risto's injury kinda gums up the works here.

I'm still selling. But, 55 not being tradeable makes the line to walk more difficult.  

Walker can bring a prospect,  Same with Laughton. Stahl ... a pow for Lehigh Valley.

Atkinson isn't going anywhere.  I seriously consider paying him to not play for me anymore. 

Seeler? He is an NHL player, are Attard or Andrae?  Trade Nick to find out.... If the price is right he's a goner, but I don't see teams parting with a high pick for him. Maybe a change of scenery prospect?

Nick does whatever and I think he's a great example for younger players to learn from.

Someone facetiously asked if the Rangers would part with some of their struggling youth for Laughton. The Kakkos and Lafrernriers haven't been contributing a whole lot on that team. They aren't getting caved - but it's Bread, Krieder and the vets doing the heavy lifting. 

Laughton could really shore up that bottom 6. I doubt it happens but...weird **** can happen if the Rangers see the window closing. 

Ps and btw

The Devils suck. 

If the Danny Jonsey get this rebuild right, that team will be 8 points a year. They've been bad for a long time and they're still not good.

2 hours ago, SCFlyguy said:

I am sure the playoffs would go differently.

 

No need to sell high.  We got them right where we want them.

My thoughts about this game and the loser point in Toronto echo this.

It is apparent this group isn't on the same talent level as the top tiered teams in the East. They can work hard and be miserable to play against,  and I like that, but if one facet of their game isn't "on" they're not winning. 

Need more talent and I hope to see some assets being used toward that goal soon. 

I don't know what to about Konecny.  I love that player he's a favorite...I want keep him around, but if someone wants to get stupid, I'll listen .

Just now, GratefulFlyers said:

.he should be able to feed his family on it.

Well, if he stops buying eggs at Wawa, he should be fine.

1 hour ago, OccamsRazor said:

but we also know he isn't ever going to trade his past roomate and his kid's past babysitter...which is ashame.

who would take on that player with that contract?

It takes two to tango. I'm not seeing anyone lining up to trade for 14 kinda like I'm not seeing anyone lining up for 55. 

If the dude is going to be here regardless, why not maximize his impact?

I think putting the letter on 14's sweater may mean the Danny Jonesy® is thinking what you're thinking about Konecny and their ability to resign him in a way that doesn't cripple the team going forward.

25 minutes ago, radoran said:

The right choice was Konecny, but I'm not "upset" like the horrendous Jason Smith choice backinnaday.

 

This was inevitable since he signed an extension and Giroux was shipped off to Florida

I would have been happy with captain TK as well. He's been a different player since he's been a dad. He has done well since he's been given more responsibility. 

I wonder about his contract extention and if there are doubts that he'll sign? 

I think Couturier is a fine choice, regardless. 

Will I be eating crow in regard to Morgan Frost suddenly looking like an NHL player?

He's looked pretty good since the ASB. 

He's actually not sucked since he and Fonzie had the sit down.

@JR Ewing

Maybe Atkinson?

He's not been himself since missing almost a whole season.

I thought his contract went through 2025, if it's longer- maybe he's a buyout candidate? 

At this point I can't see a team giving up much of value for him without salary retention. Good in the room isn't enough.

His fall off has been sad to watch,  I've always like his game. 

@Howie58

This is an interesting take. I have often thought, I think like a lot of us, that the team has been playing over its head and that it would eventually come down-to-earth. 

Echoing your thought, we're now 50 games into this jawn, and the team keeps winning, period.

It can't always be the case where the Flyers catch the good teams when they're having a bit of a rough stretch. (That did happen with Winnipeg last night.) But the first time the Flyers played the Jets,on the road, they whooped their a**** and the Jets had been on a tear.

 @radoran, just said, this team has been enjoyable to watch For The First Time  since 2010-2012.

I too am enjoying watching Flyers  style hockey. Irrespective of what the experts and sports books say.

Draft position be damned I hope they smoke stepford Dave's well dressed team tonite.

On 2/6/2024 at 8:29 PM, Samifan said:

Not sure what Torts obsession is with 11/7? I don’t get the benefit of constant mixing of the 4th line and 3rd D pair.

I also wonder if they have one a game this year when going 11/7?

I think it works pretty well for finding good match ups especially in the case of a guy like Owen Tippett. As the man who has spent 50 mostly successful years in the hockey world explained to us.

Flip side of that coin is-that team was gassed at the all star break. I think the schedule for the second part of the season is more favorable for the Flyers, so maybe they can get away with doing this more often?

The idea of playing a whole season with a shortened bench seems borderline sadistic toward the players.

Again , if you only have eleven NHL quality forwards ,lol , maybe this is what works