Trade rumors

[ruxpin]

 

And, um....bring the danish.

[hf101]

The Kings are looking to trade Mike Richards.

[yave1964]

The Kings are looking to trade Mike Richards.

the ruumor making the rounds at the deadline have started again, Richards for Phaneuf. Trying to see if two wrongs make a right......

[Podein25]

the ruumor making the rounds at the deadline have started again, Richards for Phaneuf. Trying to see if two wrongs make a right...... 

 

 

I could easily see that trade happening actually. It's basically fair. I'm not sure how much Mike has left in the tank, but it might be worth it to find out. At least you're bringing in a guy who has basically won everything. Phaneuf doesn't know what winning even looks like.

[yave1964]

@Podein25

I may be the last one in here who still likes Dion. He plays big minutes in all situations. WAY overpaid, that to me is the contention he is an ideal number three who runs a second power play. Toronto isjust awful and he plays ouside of his comfort zone, but ona team where he is used right he could be solid.

[J0e Th0rnton]

The Kings are looking to trade Mike Richards.

I would not call that a rumor. That is too undeniably certain.

[J0e Th0rnton]

I could easily see that trade happening actually. It's basically fair. I'm not sure how much Mike has left in the tank, but it might be worth it to find out. At least you're bringing in a guy who has basically won everything. Phaneuf doesn't know what winning even looks like.

I dunno bud.

 

Phaneuf is about 2 million overpaid and being used wrong. Pay him 4.5 million, reduce his minutes and stop matching him against top competition and he is better than Grossman, Schenn, McDud easily.

 

Mike Richards is about 6 million overpaid, and could not even cut it as a 4th liner this season.

[Podein25]

I dunno bud.

Phaneuf is about 2 million overpaid and being used wrong. Pay him 4.5 million, reduce his minutes and stop matching him against top competition and he is better than Grossman, Schenn, McDud easily.

Mike Richards is about 6 million overpaid, and could not even cut it as a 4th liner this season.

You may be right.

[yave1964]

Ryan Oreilly to Buffalo is picking up a lot of steam, makes a lot of sense because Buffalo needs topsix skilled wi gers and Oreilly seems to be a bit of a jerk who has worn out his welcome in Colorado. That said, always be weary of Sabre rumors, their fans are second only to Toronto in getting these things going.....

[jammer2]

I dunno bud.

 

Phaneuf is about 2 million overpaid and being used wrong. Pay him 4.5 million, reduce his minutes and stop matching him against top competition and he is better than Grossman, Schenn, McDud easily.

 

Mike Richards is about 6 million overpaid, and could not even cut it as a 4th liner this season.

  As much as it pains me to say it, this is pretty close to accurate. Mikey is done, can't skate anymore, and I fear his shoulders are done also.....this is gonna end ugly for Mike, most of us thought his body would break down and he would not last long term...guy deserved better.

 

  As much as I hate Dion, he is still a NHL d-man...a middle pairing can't cover in his own zone to well....but nonetheless, he is still serviceable, the same can't be said for Mike.

[J0e Th0rnton]

Yeah, it does get kind of hilarious.

 

Go into a leaf thread during game day. "OMG, Freaking $%#&* Kessel won't hold the puck if someone if going after him and plays so damn soft. Will he ever score an ES goal again???? Ship him. SHip him NOW SHANAHAN NOW WHILE HE STILL HAS A SEMBLANCE OF VALUE"

 

Skip to trade section. "Kessel for Filip Forsberg, Seth Jones and a 1st? He is one of the best offensive players in the league! Preds get one of the best proven scorers in the league and leaf get a jumpstart on their rebuild!"

 

Then Preds fans laugh hysterically, saying Kessel is worth "Pontus Aberg, Jack Dougherty and a 2nd if you retain 2 million"

Just to put it in perspective. Pontus Aberg is a 7.5C rated  Left wing prospect, Jack Dougherty is a 7.5C rated defensive prospect.

 

Kasperi Kapanen is a 7.5C rated Right wing prospect, Scott Harrington is a 7.0B rated Defensive Prospect and Spaling was a 2.2 million dollar cap dump. The 1st round pick is conditional and might turn into a 2nd, AND Toronto sent a 2nd round pick back.

 

AND ate 15%of his salary for 7 years.

 

Hot damn! I was close. Wrong team though

[G-Force]

 

 

Last night I had a message from some one who knows the Flyers well and said Hextall has an offer for either Buff or Engstrom on the table. The offer was unclear but it did involve Amac as the 'favour' in the deal with other pieces. A second source said they had heard of 'talks' between the club. So take that for what it's worth, wild speculation based on some iffy info. That's not a shot at the sources just a reality check on the evidence presented.

 

From Winnipeg blogger Pete Tessier. 

[teenagemutantninjahertl]

@J0e Th0rnton

Holy God, I thought Crawford had a LNMC, with a full no movement unless they give him a ridiculous bonus to get him to waive it, Chicago is screwed.

I have never liked Crawford, his equipment borders on illegal, it is so large, he looks like the stay puff marshmallow man. I always picture the Hawks wheeling him into net and then wheeling him to the locker room between periods because he cannot move. I watched an interview with him about four years ago, he had his equipment on and he was sitting down, his pads were higher than his head. Disgusting. But that is another subject.

Crawford to me is Chris Osgood, on an elite team he simply has to play not to lose, he does not have to steal games, simply keep the team close until the stars take over. He ranks somewhere around 15-18 as far as netminders go. To have given him a full no trade deal is ridiculous. I love Bowman but God knows what he was thinking.

 

Like him or not, Corey Crawford has won two Stanley Cups, and could win more in short time. You can say the Blackhawks are a great team in front of him, but he stole some games for them in the playoffs. He is the reason why they won Game 6 of the SCF.

[yave1964]

Like him or not, Corey Crawford has won two Stanley Cups, and could win more in short time. You can say the Blackhawks are a great team in front of him, but he stole some games for them in the playoffs. He is the reason why they won Game 6 of the SCF.

Again, Chris Osgood. Ozzie won some games but more often than not he was a caretaker in net for a HOFer lineup in front of him. Same with Crawford. Average goalie who would absolutely suck with a bad team, be mediocre with a mediocre club and wins because of the team he is on. There are a lot of goalies who would not win even with the Hawks, so Crawford does deserve some credit but he gets too much credit.

[ruxpin]

Again, Chris Osgood. Ozzie won some games but more often than not he was a caretaker in net for a HOFer lineup in front of him. Same with Crawford. Average goalie who would absolutely suck with a bad team, be mediocre with a mediocre club and wins because of the team he is on. There are a lot of goalies who would not win even with the Hawks, so Crawford does deserve some credit but he gets too much credit.

 

Hater.  

[Commander Clueless]

Just to put it in perspective. Pontus Aberg is a 7.5C rated  Left wing prospect, Jack Dougherty is a 7.5C rated defensive prospect.

 

Kasperi Kapanen is a 7.5C rated Right wing prospect, Scott Harrington is a 7.0B rated Defensive Prospect and Spaling was a 2.2 million dollar cap dump. The 1st round pick is conditional and might turn into a 2nd, AND Toronto sent a 2nd round pick back.

 

AND ate 15%of his salary for 7 years.

 

Hot damn! I was close. Wrong team though

 

To be fair, if the 1st turns into a 2nd, Toronto doesn't send a 2nd. If the Pens make the playoffs this year, they send the Pens' 2nd back rather than their own. If they miss this year and make it in 2017, it's Pittsburgh's 2017 1st for Toronto's 2017 2nd.

 

Your prediction was close. 

[yave1964]

To be fair, if the 1st turns into a 2nd, Toronto doesn't send a 2nd. If the Pens make the playoffs this year, they send the Pens' 2nd back rather than their own. If they miss this year and make it in 2017, it's Pittsburgh's 2017 1st for Toronto's 2017 2nd.

 

Your prediction was close.

For better or worse Franson is rumored to be coming back to the Leafs for a short term deal, not receiving an offer that he feels is satisfactory.

[yave1964]

Hater.  

lol.

Not a hater, just the same arguments that I heard from Chris Osgood haters absolutely apply to Crawford.

Okay maybe a bit of a hater. Cant stand how large his gear is, no way no how is that within the rules. He looks like the stay puff marshmallow man for Christ sake.

[Commander Clueless]

For better or worse Franson is rumored to be coming back to the Leafs for a short term deal, not receiving an offer that he feels is satisfactory.

 

Short term, I'm okay with it. Stay away from the 6 year deals, though.

[J0e Th0rnton]

Short term, I'm okay with it. Stay away from the 6 year deals, though.

I wanted to stay FAR from Franson.

 

Many Sharks fans were clamoring for him, but I wanted him less than most lol

[Commander Clueless]

Problem with Franson is that I'm not sure he can consistently be that top four guy at event strength. Some nights he seems to be borderline top pairing quality, and other nights he seems like a bottom pairing PP specialist (even scratched in Nashville IIRC).

 

He's got the skill I think, but the consistency isn't really there. Although, to be fair, this seems to be a problem that plagues many Leaf players as of late.

 

 

Leafs could probably offer him a decent chunk of money on a 1-2 year deal if he's up for it....although that really only makes sense if they are a) ditching a veteran defenseman (Phaneuf/Robidas?) and b) have very little interest in seeing guys jump full time into the big leagues this year.

[J0e Th0rnton]

Problem with Franson is that I'm not sure he can consistently be that top four guy at event strength. Some nights he seems to be borderline top pairing quality, and other nights he seems like a bottom pairing PP specialist (even scratched in Nashville IIRC).

 

He's got the skill I think, but the consistency isn't really there. Although, to be fair, this seems to be a problem that plagues many Leaf players as of late.

 

 

Leafs could probably offer him a decent chunk of money on a 1-2 year deal if he's up for it....although that really only makes sense if they are a) ditching a veteran defenseman (Phaneuf/Robidas?) and b) have very little interest in seeing guys jump full time into the big leagues this year.

Franson was visible for all the WRONG reasons in his brief stint with Nashville. Man were Nashville fans out for blood. I never thought I would see them begging Laviolette to bench him in favor of Volchenkov lol.

 

His shinning moment was this:

 

Jeez Cody. I know you think he was offside, but you may want to, you know, look to the ref before just standing there lol.

[teenagemutantninjahertl]

Franson was visible for all the WRONG reasons in his brief stint with Nashville. Man were Nashville fans out for blood. I never thought I would see them begging Laviolette to bench him in favor of Volchenkov lol.

 

His shinning moment was this:

 

Jeez Cody. I know you think he was offside, but you may want to, you know, look to the ref before just standing there lol.

 

Or Cody Franson is Pete Rose?

[jammer2]

Like him or not, Corey Crawford has won two Stanley Cups, and could win more in short time. You can say the Blackhawks are a great team in front of him, but he stole some games for them in the playoffs. He is the reason why they won Game 6 of the SCF.

 

 I thought Crawford played WAY above average in the playoffs as a whole, then picked it up again for the finals. He made some sick acrobatic saves to keep the Hawks close in the finals, holding the fort until their offense kicked into gear. Without Crawford's stellar play, the Hawks would have been playing catch up the entire finals. He deserves every bit of praise he gets in my books.

[J0e Th0rnton]

@J0e Th0rnton

 

I jumped out of this one. Hard to try to have an adult conversation with someone who is trying to be abrasive and refuses to face facts.

 

Kessel:

Over the last five years has averaged 30 goals a year, an admirable stat.

 

That's it. That is the plus.

 

No leadership.

Slipped badly last year

Poor checker, poor defensive player

Makes 8 million a year for the next seven years.

Is third in that time in Minus rating behind two guys who played for the Oilers.

 

 I like Kessel, because the one skill he has is obviously key, scoring goals. It outweighs a lot of negatives. He makes for a better fantasy player than a real one.

 

I am not basing my argument on what may happen, I am basing it off Nonis giving out the worst contract in memory, and the player slipping to his lowest goals in a full season in years. If I were an NHL GM of course I would kick the tires and answer Shanny's calls, but the contract is an albatross that likely makes trading him all but impossible unless:

 

The Leafs settle for giving him away to get the contract off the books

Or

They eat salary.

 

There is no other way that he gets dealt. Give him away or if you expect anything back in return other than cap relief, you have to eat salary. No GM who wants to keep his job for five minutes would even think about doing more than that. Kessel would be suicide for a rival GM unless he gets him for nothing, and even then, it would have to be a GM who is fairly secure to explain to the owner that he is counting on a player who is out of shape coming off his worst year and who is known as a slouch throughout the league is worth spending 56 million dollars on. There are a lot of GM's willing to roll the dice but trading for Kessel might be the equivalent of playing Russian Roulette with a loaded gun.

 

Now is the time when Halibut boy junior jumps in his Lumina and drives to Applebee's where they have free wifi and retorts that Kessel is God. I think the two of them, Kessel's guy and Miller's guy need to meet up face to face and have a battle over who's hero is better.

Hey Yave, did you ever notice this guy never logged in again? LOL

 

He gave us assurances Kessel would fetch a kings ransom in multiple 1st round picks and a Blue chip top prospect and that the leafs would not have to eat a shred of salary