WordsOfWisdom Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 The team has stunk for so long that I was wondering if the Leafs had an active rivalry with any NHL team right now. Here are my thoughts on the other 29 clubs and the "rivalry" they share with the Leafs, expressed as a score from 0% (none) to 100% (both teams despise each other): Anaheim Ducks: 0%. Boston Bruins: 40%. Buffalo Sabres: 40%. Calgary Flames: 20%. Carolina Hurricanes: 0%. Chicago Blackhawks: 10%. Colorado Avalanche: 0%. Columbus Blue Jackets: 0%. Dallas Stars: 0%. Detroit Red Wings: 60%. Edmonton Oilers: 20%. Florida Panthers: 0%. Los Angeles Kings: 0%. Minnesota Wild: 0%. Montreal Canadiens: 70%. Nashville Predators: 0%. New Jersey Devils: 0%. New York Islanders: 0%. New York Rangers: 10%. Ottawa Senators: 60%. Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes: 0%. Philadelphia Flyers: 0%. Pittsburgh Penguins: 0%. San Jose Sharks: 0%. St. Louis Blues: 0%. Tampa Bay Lightning: 5.1%. (Just for @TropicalFruitGirl26) Vancouver Canucks: 20%. Washington Capitals: 0%. Winnipeg Jets: 20%. Things that can make for a rivalry (in my opinion) include: Crowd reaction / anticipation for the game. History of interesting games played between the two. History of important/meaningful games played between the two. Media "manufacturing" / PR / hype Geographic location Division / conference location Thoughts? Did I miss any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 @WordsOfWisdom You sure did miss one...a BIG one too! TB Lightning vs Tor Maple Leafs should NOT be 0%!! They got this whole, "battle for the team colors thing now"...cmon! Will the REAL blue n white please stand up, etc....so far, the Leafs are dong a LOT of sitting down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, TropicalFruitGirl26 said: @WordsOfWisdom You sure did miss one...a BIG one too! TB Lightning vs Tor Maple Leafs should NOT be 0%!! They got this whole, "battle for the team colors thing now"...cmon! Will the REAL blue n white please stand up, etc....so far, the Leafs are dong a LOT of sitting down! You're fast! Five seconds after I post and you've replied. Holy mackinaw! Okay, maybe I'll give that 5% lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, WordsOfWisdom said: You're fast! Five seconds after I post and you've replied. Holy mackinaw! Okay, maybe I'll give that 5% lol. At LEAST 5....and if things get hairy around summertime with regards to Stamkos, you can add another 5 percent for the Battle for Stamkos...because if he does end up signing in Toronto (silly silly man if he does, hehe), then he will INSTANTLY be public enemy number one whenever the Leafs and Bolts play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, TropicalFruitGirl26 said: At LEAST 5....and if things get hairy around summertime with regards to Stamkos, you can add another 5 percent for the Battle for Stamkos...because if he does end up signing in Toronto (silly silly man if he does, hehe), then he will INSTANTLY be public enemy number one whenever the Leafs and Bolts play. Yes indeed, that could spark a rivalry for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 There's only one I really care about. The Habs. When I became a hockey fan there were only 6 teams, and only two of those were Canadian. Leafs fans hated the Habs and they hated us right back. I would rather the Philadelphia Quakers win the cup than the Habs. So I'm saying the Habs number should be 100% (or more if possible).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 2 hours ago, BluPuk said: There's only one I really care about. The Habs. When I became a hockey fan there were only 6 teams, and only two of those were Canadian. Leafs fans hated the Habs and they hated us right back. I would rather the Philadelphia Quakers win the cup than the Habs. So I'm saying the Habs number should be 100% (or more if possible).... LOL. I listed the Habs as the biggest rival of the Leafs, but I blunted it with a value of 70% because the two teams haven't played a truly meaningful game against one another in over a decade. That sort of result tends to lessen the intensity of a rivalry over time. If both the Leafs and Habs were playoff teams, and both of them met in the conference finals or something, that would quickly ratchet things back up to 100% for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 2 hours ago, BluPuk said: There's only one I really care about. The Habs. When I became a hockey fan there were only 6 teams, and only two of those were Canadian. Leafs fans hated the Habs and they hated us right back. I would rather the Philadelphia Quakers win the cup than the Habs. So I'm saying the Habs number should be 100% (or more if possible).... Yea, but until those Philly Quakers unload dead weight like MacDonald, Schultz, and Umberger, they aren't even getting into the playoffs..... Oh wait, that would be the Philly FLYERS.....meh, at this stage, same difference.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 15 minutes ago, WordsOfWisdom said: LOL. I listed the Habs as the biggest rival of the Leafs, but I blunted it with a value of 70% because the two teams haven't played a truly meaningful game against one another in over a decade. That sort of result tends to lessen the intensity of a rivalry over time. If both the Leafs and Habs were playoff teams, and both of them met in the conference finals or something, that would quickly ratchet things back up to 100% for sure. The bolded is the thinking I always have had whenever people try to drum the ol "Florida State rivalry....Lightning and Panthers!" Talk about trying to manufacture a "rivalry".....those two teams have never really been good enough at the same time (there were many seasons when BOTH were putrid) to warrant a proper rivalry. Their only connection is that they are both from the same state....that all by itself is hardly a recipe for an interesting rivalry. That may all change this year with both the Bolts and Cats looking to make the playoff, and as you said for the Leafs and Habs, a playoff series BETWEEN them would help immensely. So I would agree, that although there may be some deep rooted cultural and geographic natural rivalry between Ontario/Quebec, the actual on-ice battle between the Leafs and Habs has not been that interesting since both teams are not solid contenders....and in the case of Toronto, that hasn't been true since their epic collapse at the hands of the Boston Bruins on that fateful playoff series that SHOULD have seen the Leafs advance.............. Sorry for bringing that back up, Leafs fans......but you gotta admit, the team seemingly has spiraled downward from THAT point on, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 WordsOfWisdom, you must be younger than me. To me, there is no such thing as a meaningless game between the Leafs and the Habs. Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 4 hours ago, BluPuk said: WordsOfWisdom, you must be younger than me. Yes sirree BluPuk. That I yam. 4 hours ago, BluPuk said: To me, there is no such thing as a meaningless game between the Leafs and the Habs. For me it's a mathematical tautology because I consider every game the Leafs play to be meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 6 hours ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said: Yea, but until those Philly Quakers unload dead weight like MacDonald, Schultz, and Umberger, they aren't even getting into the playoffs..... Oh wait, that would be the Philly FLYERS.....meh, at this stage, same difference.... Why are they called the Flyers anyway? Are they like the flyers I get in the mail? I'm guessing probably not. Actually, I could work with that from a PR standpoint: Flyers are impossible to stop (ie: Some schmuck keeps delivering them, even if you specifically ask them not to.) Flyers completely dominate the space they occupy (ie: The mailbox is usually overflowing with them.) Flyers are consistent (ie: They arrive almost every day.) etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 6 hours ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said: The bolded is the thinking I always have had whenever people try to drum the ol "Florida State rivalry....Lightning and Panthers!" Talk about trying to manufacture a "rivalry".....those two teams have never really been good enough at the same time (there were many seasons when BOTH were putrid) to warrant a proper rivalry. Their only connection is that they are both from the same state....that all by itself is hardly a recipe for an interesting rivalry. Indeed. Often times the media tries to create the rivalry based solely on geographic location or division placement. The Bolts and Panthers are a good example of two teams that have no real intriguing history of games between them. The Panthers have traditionally been an awful team as well, and you really can't have a rivalry when it's one-sided. ie: When one team poses no threat/challenge to the other. This year, we may see the Panthers vs the Lightning. (This color thing is getting addictive!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 6 hours ago, TropicalFruitGirl26 said: So I would agree, that although there may be some deep rooted cultural and geographic natural rivalry between Ontario/Quebec, the actual on-ice battle between the Leafs and Habs has not been that interesting since both teams are not solid contenders....and in the case of Toronto, that hasn't been true since their epic collapse at the hands of the Boston Bruins on that fateful playoff series that SHOULD have seen the Leafs advance.............. Sorry for bringing that back up, Leafs fans......but you gotta admit, the team seemingly has spiraled downward from THAT point on, no? I consider the 2012 playoff year to be a fluke. (Lockout shortened season allowed the Leafs to sneak in.) The collapse already occured back in 2005 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Rivalries? The team is too inept to have any form of rivalry whatsoever ( none that's been relevant for a while anyways ). If anything, their unrivaled generosity is their best trait.. they help other teams more then they help themselves.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 2 hours ago, JagerMeister said: Rivalries? The team is too inept to have any form of rivalry whatsoever ( none that's been relevant for a while anyways ). If anything, their unrivaled generosity is their best trait.. they help other teams more then they help themselves.. LOL. I almost wet myself laughing!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagerMeister Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, WordsOfWisdom said: LOL. I almost wet myself laughing!!! Turn on the TV, and laugh no more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TropicalFruitGirl26 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 yea....that was an UNRIVALED arse whoopin the Champs put on the Leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I have to agree with @TropicalFruitGirl26 and @JagerMeister. Nobody cares about the Leafs any more. They are sooo bad that they are simply irrelevant . But at least they have an excuse - they have NO talent. The Oilers on the other hand.....I simply don't know what to say about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 11 hours ago, JagerMeister said: Turn on the TV, and laugh no more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 1 hour ago, BluPuk said: I have to agree with @TropicalFruitGirl26 and @JagerMeister. Nobody cares about the Leafs any more. They are sooo bad that they are simply irrelevant . But at least they have an excuse - they have NO talent. The Oilers on the other hand.....I simply don't know what to say about them. I heard the Chicago commentator quip that Chicago needs to get the Leafs on their schedule more often so that Kane can score 200 points. Sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OccamsRazor Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 On 2/14/2016 at 7:16 PM, WordsOfWisdom said: Ottawa Senators: 60%. Figured this would be higher.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 2 hours ago, OccamsRazor said: Figured this would be higher.... It would be if the two teams had any recent history of significant games. The "battle of Ontario" has faded in recent years because both the Sens and Leafs are non-playoff teams. Good hit by Domi though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 On 2/14/2016 at 7:16 PM, WordsOfWisdom said: The team has stunk for so long that I was wondering if the Leafs had an active rivalry with any NHL team right now. Here are my thoughts on the other 29 clubs and the "rivalry" they share with the Leafs, expressed as a score from 0% (none) to 100% (both teams despise each other): Anaheim Ducks: 0%. Boston Bruins: 40%. Buffalo Sabres: 40%. Calgary Flames: 20%. Carolina Hurricanes: 0%. Chicago Blackhawks: 10%. Colorado Avalanche: 0%. Columbus Blue Jackets: 0%. Dallas Stars: 0%. Detroit Red Wings: 60%. Edmonton Oilers: 20%. Florida Panthers: 0%. Los Angeles Kings: 0%. Minnesota Wild: 0%. Montreal Canadiens: 70%. Nashville Predators: 0%. New Jersey Devils: 0%. New York Islanders: 0%. New York Rangers: 10%. Ottawa Senators: 60%. Phoenix/Arizona Coyotes: 0%. Philadelphia Flyers: 0%. Pittsburgh Penguins: 0%. San Jose Sharks: 0%. St. Louis Blues: 0%. Tampa Bay Lightning: 5.1%. (Just for @TropicalFruitGirl26) Vancouver Canucks: 20%. Washington Capitals: 0%. Winnipeg Jets: 20%. Things that can make for a rivalry (in my opinion) include: Crowd reaction / anticipation for the game. History of interesting games played between the two. History of important/meaningful games played between the two. Media "manufacturing" / PR / hype Geographic location Division / conference location Thoughts? Did I miss any? Playoffs matchup! Would that be in "meaningful games"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordsOfWisdom Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 3 hours ago, notfondajane said: Playoffs matchup! Would that be in "meaningful games"? Yes indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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