yave1964 Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Might be a steal. Schultz signed with the Oilers and was thrown to the wolves early, a team that was floundering with no good defenseman, they expected him to be Bobby Orr (he isnt, obviously) and put him on a path of failure. In Pittsburgh with Letang and Maatta and even Daley he will be insulated and simply be allowed to play and relax. 20 minutes a night in the right situations, he could be a very valuable piece and came at a steal of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Glad to see this kid get another chance and you are right - he could end up being a steal. Certainly well worth risking a third rounder on him. He was world class as a junior if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Why on earth are the Oilers trading away defencemen? For a third? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Why on earth are the Oilers trading away defencemen? For a third? I'm guessing their A.H.L. team! I am wondering if he is related to Dave Shultz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 8 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Why on earth are the Oilers trading away defencemen? For a third? Why is Big Jim trading Draft choices away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, notfondajane said: Why is Big Jim trading Draft choices away? With Crosby and Malkins best years about to hit the rearview mirror(if they haven't already), it's do or die time in Pittsburgh. The prospect cupboard has two cookies left in the jar. Trading a 3rd for a 25 year old defenceman is not a bad move. Trading for a 35 year old defenceman is what Homer would do. You'd be lucky to draft a Justin Schultz with a 3rd rounder...then you'd have to wait years for him to develop. The Oil needs D...why the hell are they trading them away? especially 25 year olds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPuk Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 43 minutes ago, flyercanuck said: Why on earth are the Oilers trading away defencemen? For a third? He never played worth a damn for the Oilers. I think management considered him to be 'uncoachable'. Not sure what, exactly, the issue was but he needed to be gone. Kind of like Drouin and the Lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyercanuck Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I get that he wasn't great. Looking back at the Oilers track record of drafting after the 1st round (or should I say after the 1st overall) and their lack of defence, is a 3rd really more valuable than Schultz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 hour ago, flyercanuck said: You'd be lucky to draft a Justin Schultz with a 3rd rounder...then you'd have to wait years for him to develop. The Oil needs D...why the hell are they trading them away? especially 25 year olds? Good points and questions. I have some ideas. The teams needs defense, but even more: they desperately need more players who can defend. Justin Schultz just can't do that at the NHL level, and at the media avail last night, Chiarelli (while saying that he likes Schultz's ability to "transport" the puck) even flatly said that he can't defend. The lack of ability to play in his own end wouldn't be such a major issue if he were bringing offense, but he hasn't done that. The power play: every single year that Schultz has been an Oiler, the team scores more goals per 60 minutes with him on the bench than while he's on the ice. That's a strange thing to say about a power play specialist. Up till this year, the Oilers screwed this up big time. The main reason they were able to sign him is because his primary contract demand was that he would receive a lot of playing time, and they gave it to him, regardless of whether or not he was ready to play it. Two rookie GMs and four coaches (two of whom were also rookies) later, here we are. His development wasn't handled properly, and it's time for Peter Chiarelli to pay for all of their sins. It's too bad. This young man has some VERY interesting tools available to him, and who knows? Perhaps playing further down the batting order, with some protection hitting behind him, he can do better. But it wasn't going to happen as an Edmonton Oiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Podein25 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 45 minutes ago, JR Ewing said: Good points and questions. I have some ideas. The teams needs defense, but even more: they desperately need more players who can defend. Justin Schultz just can't do that at the NHL level, and at the media avail last night, Chiarelli (while saying that he likes Schultz's ability to "transport" the puck) even flatly said that he can't defend. The lack of ability to play in his own end wouldn't be such a major issue if he were bringing offense, but he hasn't done that. The power play: every single year that Schultz has been an Oiler, the team scores more goals per 60 minutes with him on the bench than while he's on the ice. That's a strange thing to say about a power play specialist. Up till this year, the Oilers screwed this up big time. The main reason they were able to sign him is because his primary contract demand was that he would receive a lot of playing time, and they gave it to him, regardless of whether or not he was ready to play it. Two rookie GMs and four coaches (two of whom were also rookies) later, here we are. His development wasn't handled properly, and it's time for Peter Chiarelli to pay for all of their sins. It's too bad. This young man has some VERY interesting tools available to him, and who knows? Perhaps playing further down the batting order, with some protection hitting behind him, he can do better. But it wasn't going to happen as an Edmonton Oiler. Excellent summary. During one analysis (TSN I think) they showed some clips of Schultz "playing defense" and it was almost comical. He just looks lost. Now, while some of this might be (lack of) confidence, it also seems clear that my cat has a larger brain than poor Justin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notfondajane Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Maybe attitude could be apart of the situation! With the way things are in Edmonton, he could have thought F' it and played half hearted.( there were times in my life were I thought the person in charge lacked experience, or just didn't give a darn which affected my own attitude! It may have happened here!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 58 minutes ago, notfondajane said: Maybe attitude could be apart of the situation! With the way things are in Edmonton, he could have thought F' it and played half hearted.( there were times in my life were I thought the person in charge lacked experience, or just didn't give a darn which affected my own attitude! It may have happened here!) I dunno... Everything which has been talked about as an issue for Justin Schultz (confidence, lollygagging, soft, etc) is long documented, and are all very much pre-Oilers. Check out WHL scout Michael Remmerde's report on him from 2008: Quote Strengths: Excellent skater. Big time shot from the point. Weaknesses: Soft - no physical presence. Slight build and will need to bulk up. Not aggressive with the puck. Outstanding skater with a smooth stride and good pivots. Doesn't use his speed. Good asset on the PP - loves to shoot the puck and can his shot on net consistently. Shot is hard and he gets it away quickly. Good overall hockey sense, but doesn't seem to move or carry the puck real well. Decent decisions in defensive zone, but just does not even try to use his body. Summary: Lacks some zip in his game. With all that skating and puck skill, I'd like him a lot more if he had more confidence or aggressiveness offensively. Target/Want: Wouldn't consider until 3rd. Some teams seem to have a very high interest in this player. Probably will go in the 2nd round. Source: http://nhldraftnotes.blogspot.ca/search?q=justin+schultz Some of the issues remain which Remmerde noted years ago: -If a marshmallow set up shop in front of Schultz's net, there wouldn't be a dent in it after the shift. -Last summer, by his own admission, marks the first time he ever engaged in a muscle building phase. -Lacks aggression/indecisive. -Poor pass out of the zone: in the skates too often. There is some real good in there. He can skate *very* well with the puck, and once in the offensive zone, he's quite good. Finds open ice, has a terrific toe drag which opens up shooting room. Fantastic wrist shot. But... He was born 100 years too late. Would have made a spectacular rover. Or RW. I always sort of wish the Oilers had tried him at RW before they moved him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Ewing Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Forgot to mention something in my first post in this thread: it would have cost the Oilers $4M to qualify Justin Schultz this offseason. Peter Chiarelli wasn't about to pay him that much, which would make him a UFA this summer, which makes the 3rd round pick (plus the extra $4M in cap space next year) an attractive thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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