Digityman

3 hours ago, ruxpin said:

I'm not positive I've seen a Flyers goal all year.  I don't think I've watched a complete period combined.

 

Yeah I'm with you.  Haven't watched a full game since last year.  This year, maybe 5 periods total.  Just not worth my time

I am wondering what does make GM 'qualified' other than already being a GM previously.   Seriously, I'm wondering.

If Briere, who -  (1) Played in the NHL for 15 years (successfully and wasn't a goon)  (2) Rose the the ranks to GM a ECHL team (successfully - isn't qualified, which person is (assuming they weren't a GM previously. 

5 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

Haha no this is your view based on your conviction (I’d say speculation) that the Flyers can’t reach their prime in the next 5 years. I’m speculating too but in the other direction. I believe they can get there, and quicker than half a decade, but I’m not convinced they will.

So in simplest terms, you think during this "transformation" (not rebuild) the team reaches their prime (best chance years for a cup) within the next 5 years.  And I think they are approaching their prime in year 5.    Glad we got that sorted out!  

I wish there was a way to put a reminder on posts like a calendar system.   That way you could mark it to remind you so many days in the future to remind you to come back to see who was right about predicting what will happen in the future.  @hf101, @radoran,  @yave1964 - quick, someone implement that code please.

As for now Grateful poster, if we are still spinning 5 years from now we'll come back to this conversation.

2 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

Good analysis

Thanks.  

2 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

The other thing you don't allow for is growth, for untapped potential. Neither guy is a finished product. TK is the Flyers version of Brad Marchand. There aren't many players like Marchand and TK is one of them. At 25 his ceiling is nowhere in sight.

Neither guy is a finished product, I agree.  BUT I believe neither is going to jump significantly.  Let's say both are a 85 out of 100 (solid B's).  Do you think either jump to 90?  95?  In my opinion, they might creep up to 87-88s but that's about it.   TK is a poor man's Marchand with the possibility of matching Marchand's output in his very best year to come.   That's what they are hoping other GM's think also.

2 hours ago, GratefulFlyers said:

If none of the above means anything I'll leave you with this: moving players in the hopes of getting back (or developing) players just like them seems to me taking an unnecessarily long road back to competitiveness.

I 100% agree with this.   However, we have slightly varying views: 

Your view (based on what I've read)

"Keep the player through their prime even though the team won't be in their prime because they are known commodity and you don't know what you'll get to replace them. "

My view

"Attempt to develop player similar to them (and hopefully better) that will hit their prime when the team is hitting their prime"

I do also understand that you also need a few 'veteran' players that will help guide younger players.  I'm not sure TK fits that bill.  Provorov, maybe. 

16 hours ago, CoachX said:

The fact is this management has no track record of drafting and developing players. So to move a TK or Provy now, to just do the same thing all over, is just plain dumb. What it will get you in five to six years, is another couple of really good payers that you will have to move before free agency, AGAIN!

I understand your point, I just don't agree with it.

If you sell Prov/TK high you get a chance at getting one or more players that *might* be better.

If you keep Prov/TK you keep them their value declines starting next year along with any possible returns. (impending UFAs)

Players are like stocks.  There are ones that age well and those that don't.   For example Giroux aged really well.  His value at 34 (should have) fetched a (more) healthy return AND while they kept him he had great dividends.  Players reach a point to where their value starts to diminish.   He's like the Disney, Apple.... slight up and downs but you know what you'll get for a long period of time and you reinvest those dividends.

Statistically forwards peak at 28 and defencemen peak at 29.   Both Prov/TK are 25 and will be 28 in 3 years (2025/6), which is about the earliest most on this board think the Flyers will be relevant again.   So you get those players at their peak for (arguably) 1-2 years and then they start to decline.   Not only that but both players are UFA's that year and if they keep at their current pace, will require salary increases.   So, you get them for 1-2 years at current salary, then they want a long stable contract moving forward (the kind we all complain about).   

In my opinion, that's not good asset management.  Many posters on here have complained about giving too long of contract to those 27-30 year old UFA's who have already reached their peak but want to be paid on 'past' performance.  

So the Flyers have three choices:   

1. Sell high on both.  This year fetches the most, next year slightly less because of impending UFA in 3 years.   Get picks (preferable)
2. Keep them, extend them in 2024/5 for long term for more money and complain that they got too much term/money
3. Lose them for nothing to UFA

Again, all in my opinion, but the choice is pretty clear as to which I would think makes the most sense.

To your point, I don't want to sell everyone.  It makes no sense BUT they need to start selling high on players to get better returns (picks).

On 12/5/2022 at 1:57 PM, RonJeremy said:

Provorov and Konecny ,both players only have two more years left after this and they will be UFAs. Konecny looks like he's on his way to a career season, Provorov is doing better than last year. So both players have been through a failed six year rebuild and are facing another rebuild. Do you really think they wanna stick around for that? I don't see either player not testing the UFA market. Trading these two guys will get us our biggest returns and start the rebuild properly. Especially if Konecny has a career season.

I agree, the time is now to sell Provorov and TK.  Let us not forget that it's okay to develop players and consider them a commodity.  I think sometimes people forget that piece - especially Flyers mgmt.  We've all seen enough of these two to figure out what they are going to be, it's about time we sell high on players that are approaching UFA.  

On 12/5/2022 at 1:57 PM, RonJeremy said:

Hart- he's a good young goalie, he's due a new contract at the end of 23/24 , the team will suck for at least another 4-5 years, he will be close to thirty by then . Do we trade him or let him suffer on a rebuilding team ?  Or sign a washed up vet and let him get hung out to dry with Sandstrom, while we develop Ersson ,who actually looks real good.

Trading Hart is the ultimate way to jumpstart a rebuild I'm just not sure that's the best asset management.   Ersson does look good but not good enough to say he'll be a starter in the NHL.   Now if Fedotov got busted out of military prison by Winona Ryder and picked up where he left off, I think that makes it easier to trade Hart.  

I think the whole point is to look at what you have in the cupboards that could *reasonably* replace what you have aging out by the time the rebuild is complete.   Maybe not a direct replacement but projected *similar* skill.   And if you do have that coming up then sell high...

So for example below, Flyers do have *like* replacements for those in green.  Those in yellow are shopped....

IF all are kept, the average age of those guys are 30.....woof.

I used age 35 as age of decline (years left).

Don't forget Brink and this years top 5 choice. 

I do think they have some youth coming in that if managed properly could....

On 11/5/2022 at 10:20 PM, Howie58 said:

I am glad we won. But Hart and blocked shots cant sustain this for long

That's kinda what I'm hoping for Howie!  Either this team keeps doing what they are doing and they end up just outside the playoffs (9-12 spot) or their play comes back down to what their roster actually is and they get a top 5 pick.    I know what I am (and have been) hoping for.

This is the first year that I haven't watched every game for 25 years.   In fact, I haven't watch a full game yet.   I hope someone lets me back on the wagon next year.

On 10/16/2022 at 12:02 AM, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

Now I now it's early in the season, but Frost looks like he's really beginning to put it together.

Agree with this.  I still think Frost turns into a light version of Danny Briere.   I know a lot of people have given up on him but I haven't.  Maybe I'm naïve. 

First 3 seasons

Danny B - 82 games, 10 goals, 15 assists

Morgan F - 77 games, 7 goals, 16 assists

It wasn't until Briere's 5th season (112th game to start the season, 190th to finish) that he became the player we knew.

Frost has played 82 games total and had two major injuries.  Let's see what he does with a full season and I'll bet he turns a corner around the holidays.

Danny B.

Frost.

13 hours ago, FireDillabaugh said:

 

2:40 - Braun - "Frick me"

49 minutes ago, FireDillabaugh said:

Tortorella's hire was completely done by the outside organization hired for the process and Dave Scott(Comcast board members probably had input as well).

If I'm correct, they also represented Tortorella as a client.  So they made a recommendation for the Flyers to hire one of their clients.   Say it with me kids.... Double Dip.

Just keep it up for one more year boys. 

Don't fix it now.

On 7/11/2022 at 2:53 PM, pilldoc said:

  On 7/11/2022 at 1:09 PM, flyercanuck said:

You brought in 2 of THE worst defensive players in hockey and all is cost was a 1st,3-2nds, 3rd, 4th 7th Ghost and Hagg.

I'm hoping there is someone above him that reads this sentence.   That should be enough to open eyes even for non-hockey people.  

Well said.

Wow that is a sh!t lineup.   I've finally caught up on everything that's been happening since the beginning of June.  While I hate to have another horrible season - the first one in my 30 years where I didn't watch every game - next years draft looks real tasty.   With JG, this team is a bubble playoff team at best.   Without JG the team finishes about where they finished this past year, maybe top 3 worst.    The good news is we get to watch Hayes until 2026-7.  

1 hour ago, pilldoc said:

 

From a Bleacher Report article: 

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His catch-and-release is high-caliber and he absolutely rips it, making him a threat from distance. He similarly can pick corners while in stride, lending further credibility to his transition offense. What's key here is that, while Gauthier can torch teams with his one-timer, he can create his own shot and score in different scenarios; he's not a passenger waiting for his teammates to set him up.

Isn't that what a majority of us have been screaming about for years?   We need a finisher.  He is that in spades.

On 12/2/2021 at 9:39 AM, Digityman said:

Lane Lambert - Islanders assistant coach under Trotz.  Since they can't get Trotz, how about Lambert who's learned from Trotz?  He's probably my first pick but I don't know how you pry him away.  Are there offer sheets for coaches?  

I'm just putting this here as pat on my back.   Trotz is good, Lambert is going to be better.  He learned a lot from Trotz but is of the 'new' NHL era.   Flyers are going to hire Trotz of the old NHL because, after all, this is the Flyers. 

Lol. When the flyers are worse than the sabres

Attard -4 in 15 mins of ice time.   What a bust.  Bum.  

Two games, two wins, four assists.  Wonder how Ryanne is settling in.. Maybe hating the 80 degree days and wishing she was back in Philly (currently 39).  Probably not.  

Panthers vs Canadiens in Giroux's first game with the cats.   My prediction, Giroux gets a hattrick (1 on the PP).

18 minutes ago, BobbyClarkeFan16 said:

To those who think G is coming back, I've got news for you - he isn't. One of the reasons why the Flyers got so little from Florida was that Giroux asked Fletcher if he would re-sign him in the offseason and Fletcher would not commit. Let that sink in - Fletcher didn't want Giroux. I warned everyone back when talks were shelved that this was going to be the beginning of the end and a number of people said I was nuts and that the Flyers wouldn't let their captain go. Look where the Flyers are now.....

I honestly don't care if he comes back but I'll be 100% shocked if he doesn't already have a handshake deal with Chuck.